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    mclaincausey
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    @Giles
    Joined: 12 Apr 2013

    @Giles touche I don’t much care for Stroll either. Or Stroll, for that matter 🤣

    Think it, be it.

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      louisbosco
      啓蒙家
      Joined: 21 Feb 2013

      Packed and ready for Suzuka in a weeks time.

      IMG_5018.jpeg

      "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

      • Harvey Specter
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        mclaincausey
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        @Bailey
        Joined: 12 Apr 2013

        @Bailey agreed, and if not this year, I worry there won’t be one. I’m still pissed at McLaren for that “two #1” nonsense last year that IMO cost him a WDC (yes, his mistakes didn’t help either). Lando stuck it out with them through garbage cars and deserved at least a couple of years as #1 while Piastri rounded into form. By the time they decreed that they would prioritize Lando the race was out of reach.

        It was a tough call, but we opted for CDMX this year over Monaco for my 50th birthday. One day…

        Think it, be it.

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          louisbosco
          啓蒙家
          Joined: 21 Feb 2013

          all I want to see next weekend, is a Ferrari on the podium

          "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

          • Harvey Specter
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            mclaincausey
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            @louisbosco
            Joined: 12 Apr 2013

            @louisbosco well, and presumably no penalties or DQs after the fact 🙄

            Think it, be it.

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              louisbosco
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              @mclaincausey
              Joined: 21 Feb 2013

              @mclaincausey what happens at the track stays at the track. 😂 😂 😂

              "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

              • Harvey Specter
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                mclaincausey
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                @louisbosco
                Joined: 12 Apr 2013

                @louisbosco I like Charles, liked Sainz, like Vasseur, and love Lewis. I even liked Binotto but not as a principal. My past issues with Ferrari were the strategic blunders and then lack of accountability and acknowledgement. With the Vasseur regime and Lewis on board I’ve become a fan! Though still McLaren and Lando come first.

                Think it, be it.

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                  louisbosco
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                  Joined: 21 Feb 2013

                  Norris deserves to win this year. drove outstanding last season but his inexperience came through. but the heart says Ferrari..

                  "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

                  • Harvey Specter
                  last edited by louisbosco 28 Mar 2025, 14:09 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                    louisbosco
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                    doesn't look like Marquez will be losing a race this season. that dominance on the Ducati is unreal..

                    "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

                    • Harvey Specter
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                      motojobobo
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                      Joined: 22 Aug 2015

                      Sure looks like it @louisbosco but that won’t help grow the sport. It already is reduced to a Ducati championship, and having the same pilot dominate each time will hurt, I fear.
                      At least the first two laps of the Saturday sprint were exciting. Felt like good old competitive motogp races of years past.
                      Very surprising how a ‘small’ company like Ducati has come to dethrone and dominate established giants like Honda and Yamaha.

                      The journey is the objective.

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                        Tago Mago
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                        @motojobobo
                        Joined: 16 Jan 2021

                        @motojobobo Ducati has been owned by Volkswagen since 2012, not exactly a David versus Goliath story

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                          motojobobo
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                          Very fair to point out that fact @Tago-Mago .
                          Do you have any data whether the investment levels in Ducati racing skyrocketed after 2012?

                          The journey is the objective.

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                            Tago Mago
                            Mod Squad
                            @motojobobo
                            Joined: 16 Jan 2021

                            @motojobobo @Aetas has pointed out to me that Ducati sells roughly 60k bikes a year vs 19.6m for Honda (not sure if this also includes scooters). Maybe VW isn't pouring their entire R&D budget into Moto GP 😂 . Also, Ducati is technically controlled by Audi AFAIK, who, besides having major problems of their own right now, have bought what used to be Sauber and are preparing to enter F1. So you are probably right in saying that they are small fish compared to Honda and Yamaha

                            last edited by Tago Mago 30 Mar 2025, 19:21 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
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                              motojobobo
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                              Joined: 22 Aug 2015

                              I didn’t have the numbers to back it up but the situation you describe is + or - the way I understood it.
                              Makes it all the more intriguing of a story…since it cannot be financially explained away…has Ducati, quietly and meekly, produced an extraordinary engineering feat???

                              The journey is the objective.

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                                Aetas
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                                Perhaps one key for the dominance of Ducati is Luigi Dall'Igna.
                                1995 till 2012 he was with Aprilia in the MotoGP.
                                From 2013 the head constructor for Ducati.
                                He invented the Desmosedici GP15 and improved her till today.

                                last edited by Aetas 31 Mar 2025, 04:55 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
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                                  louisbosco
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                                  @motojobobo
                                  Joined: 21 Feb 2013

                                  @motojobobo just as I said that, Marquez has gone and crashed in the race 🤦♂ I guess that'll make the season more exciting

                                  but I agree with you on the dominance of Ducati in the recent years. I haven't watched it long but I remember the glory days of Yamaha and when Marquez was with Honda.

                                  I don't think the corporate ownership has anything to do with racing but it's more of how they've developed this v4 platform over the years

                                  "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

                                  • Harvey Specter
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                                    NickD
                                    Raw and Unwashed
                                    Joined: 17 Nov 2024

                                    I'm a massive Ducati fan (one of my bikes is a Panigale V2) so I'm not entirely unbiased.

                                    Ducati are spending fairly big sums on racing, it's not a drop in the ocean, but IMO where they got ahead was in making the bike fast intially, and then improving the chassis. It wasn't until 2017 that they had any realistic chance of winning the championship. They also stole a march on everyone else in terms of the aero and the ride height devices, and they are still reaping the benefits from that.

                                    Honda's mistake was building a bike that Marc could ride and no-once else, it doesn't help development when you have a generational talent masking where your bike isn't so good - it's better to have Pecco and Martin developing a bike than, say, Marc, Acosta, or TR in World Superbike where they ride in a way that can't be replicated reasonably by another rider.

                                    Also, I agree that the corporate ownership isn't necessarily that important (Ducati was really successful in the 90's when financially they were on the bones of their arse), but the trickle down effect on the road bikes will definitely help justifying the cost of the race team in a way that F1 perhaps doesn't. A v4 or v2 Panigale has the same intrinsic strengths and weaknesses (fast, good into and coming out of a corner, not so good in the middle) as the Desmosedici, and an R1, like the M1 is an amazing handling bike, but not as quick in a straight line.

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                                      Giles
                                      IHUK Crew
                                      @NickD
                                      Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                                      @NickD said in Motor Sport:

                                      it doesn't help development when you have a generational talent masking where your bike isn't so good

                                      Max, Car....

                                      "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                        louisbosco
                                        啓蒙家
                                        @Giles
                                        Joined: 21 Feb 2013

                                        @Giles great video this showing the comparisons between max and Liam. you can see Liam always breaks later but makes numerous adjustments in the corner and is afraid of the throttle and the rear snapping when exiting. costs him a lot over a lap..

                                        "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

                                        • Harvey Specter
                                        last edited by louisbosco 31 Mar 2025, 13:37 B 1 Reply Last reply 31 Mar 2025, 14:14 Reply Quote 0
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                                          Bridger
                                          Raw and Unwashed
                                          @louisbosco
                                          Joined: 3 Mar 2021

                                          Cool vid @louisbosco, thanks for sharing.

                                          You're right about the breaking. Max seems pretty patient with the breaking - possibly to be kinder on the tires or because it helps his acceleration out of the corner, which seemed faster than Lawson.

                                          Fingers are crossed for Yuki.

                                          last edited by 31 Mar 2025, 14:14 L 1 Reply Last reply 31 Mar 2025, 14:36 Reply Quote 0
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