Motor Sport
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@Tago-Mago I am fairly certain most drivers fit into that same category? haha.
On a brighter note; have a photo of when I went to the Monaco GP and we managed to have dinner with some of the RB pit team up the top of the hill.
ps. I've been team Lando for a number of years, and hoping that this is THE year!
pps. looks like the photo was taken with a potato.. to my defence it was a number of years ago.
@bailey_ironheart
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@Giles touche I don’t much care for Stroll either. Or Stroll, for that matter
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Packed and ready for Suzuka in a weeks time.
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@Bailey agreed, and if not this year, I worry there won’t be one. I’m still pissed at McLaren for that “two #1” nonsense last year that IMO cost him a WDC (yes, his mistakes didn’t help either). Lando stuck it out with them through garbage cars and deserved at least a couple of years as #1 while Piastri rounded into form. By the time they decreed that they would prioritize Lando the race was out of reach.
It was a tough call, but we opted for CDMX this year over Monaco for my 50th birthday. One day…
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@louisbosco well, and presumably no penalties or DQs after the fact
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@mclaincausey what happens at the track stays at the track.
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@louisbosco I like Charles, liked Sainz, like Vasseur, and love Lewis. I even liked Binotto but not as a principal. My past issues with Ferrari were the strategic blunders and then lack of accountability and acknowledgement. With the Vasseur regime and Lewis on board I’ve become a fan! Though still McLaren and Lando come first.
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Norris deserves to win this year. drove outstanding last season but his inexperience came through. but the heart says Ferrari..
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doesn't look like Marquez will be losing a race this season. that dominance on the Ducati is unreal..
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Sure looks like it @louisbosco but that won’t help grow the sport. It already is reduced to a Ducati championship, and having the same pilot dominate each time will hurt, I fear.
At least the first two laps of the Saturday sprint were exciting. Felt like good old competitive motogp races of years past.
Very surprising how a ‘small’ company like Ducati has come to dethrone and dominate established giants like Honda and Yamaha.The journey is the objective.
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@motojobobo Ducati has been owned by Volkswagen since 2012, not exactly a David versus Goliath story
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Very fair to point out that fact @Tago-Mago .
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@motojobobo @Aetas has pointed out to me that Ducati sells roughly 60k bikes a year vs 19.6m for Honda (not sure if this also includes scooters). Maybe VW isn't pouring their entire R&D budget into Moto GP
. Also, Ducati is technically controlled by Audi AFAIK, who, besides having major problems of their own right now, have bought what used to be Sauber and are preparing to enter F1. So you are probably right in saying that they are small fish compared to Honda and Yamaha -
I didn’t have the numbers to back it up but the situation you describe is + or - the way I understood it.
Makes it all the more intriguing of a story…since it cannot be financially explained away…has Ducati, quietly and meekly, produced an extraordinary engineering feat??? -
@motojobobo just as I said that, Marquez has gone and crashed in the race
I guess that'll make the season more excitingbut I agree with you on the dominance of Ducati in the recent years. I haven't watched it long but I remember the glory days of Yamaha and when Marquez was with Honda.
I don't think the corporate ownership has anything to do with racing but it's more of how they've developed this v4 platform over the years
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I'm a massive Ducati fan (one of my bikes is a Panigale V2) so I'm not entirely unbiased.
Ducati are spending fairly big sums on racing, it's not a drop in the ocean, but IMO where they got ahead was in making the bike fast intially, and then improving the chassis. It wasn't until 2017 that they had any realistic chance of winning the championship. They also stole a march on everyone else in terms of the aero and the ride height devices, and they are still reaping the benefits from that.
Honda's mistake was building a bike that Marc could ride and no-once else, it doesn't help development when you have a generational talent masking where your bike isn't so good - it's better to have Pecco and Martin developing a bike than, say, Marc, Acosta, or TR in World Superbike where they ride in a way that can't be replicated reasonably by another rider.
Also, I agree that the corporate ownership isn't necessarily that important (Ducati was really successful in the 90's when financially they were on the bones of their arse), but the trickle down effect on the road bikes will definitely help justifying the cost of the race team in a way that F1 perhaps doesn't. A v4 or v2 Panigale has the same intrinsic strengths and weaknesses (fast, good into and coming out of a corner, not so good in the middle) as the Desmosedici, and an R1, like the M1 is an amazing handling bike, but not as quick in a straight line.
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@NickD said in Motor Sport:
it doesn't help development when you have a generational talent masking where your bike isn't so good
Max, Car....
