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    goosehd
    Mod Squad
    @Tago Mago
    Joined: 8 Apr 2016

    @Tago-Mago …oh my!! Thank you 🙏

    "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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      goosehd
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      Joined: 8 Apr 2016

      Silly question for all of you pros: when performers are playing a venue multiple days, is it better to attend the first or second night?

      If the pricing works out, I would love to attend both nights, but have little hope that it would work out that way.

      "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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        Jett129
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        @goosehd
        Joined: 17 Aug 2011

        @goosehd I would think the second as you've had a chance to work out any bugs with the sound,and you didn't have to do any traveling that day,so you're a little bit better rested.

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          mclaincausey
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          Joined: 12 Apr 2013

          There’s also a saying “never miss a Sunday show” I think based on bands rewarding those persevering despite work in the morning.

          Think it, be it.

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            goosehd
            Mod Squad
            Joined: 8 Apr 2016

            Well, went to buy tickets and there was only one date left and only a few seats still available. Tickets purchased. Thank you @Tago-Mago 🙏

            "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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              Ikeaparty
              Raw and Unwashed
              Joined: 3 Oct 2024

              Managed to snag some tickets to DIIV in San Francisco next weekend, will be heading down there to see them

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                Matt
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                Joined: 4 Oct 2011

                Great show! You’ll have a blast.

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                  Gavin666
                  Raw and Unwashed
                  Joined: 15 Jan 2024

                  Day two of presale trying to snag two Black Sabbath final show tickets. Yesterday was a reccy making sure accounts set up, seating plan downloaded etc. doubt I will have much luck as was 32791 in queue yesterday!

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                    Nick
                    IHUK Crew
                    Joined: 14 Oct 2024

                    Attempted to grab Kendrick/SZA tickets yesterday (as a season ticket holder at THFC I get pre-general sale access). My daughter wanted to see SZA and I wanted to experience the Drake diss in person. Sadly, I'm not paying £140 - £180 for a potentially restricted view or being at the other end of the stadium watching stick figures dance around the stage. And don't get me started on the £40 admin charge. Someone explain to me why we get penalised for paying mad amounts of money in the first instance for a ticket then get slapped with 'admin fees'.

                    I then attempted to get Sabrina Carpenter tickets (not my demographic if anyone is wondering) and clicking on the 'buy tickets' option resulted with a multitude of error codes.

                    Had to tell the kid she can have my YouTube Premium log-in and watch them on that.

                    < something witty TBC here >

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                      mclaincausey
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                      Joined: 12 Apr 2013

                      https://freakonomics.com/podcast/live-event-ticket-market-screwed-2/

                      As the above indicates, part of the problem is that bands don't want to look like gougers by charging market value, so they depress face value below it and let the brokers take the heat. When there are only so many seats and so much demand, and artificially deflated face value prices, someone is going to make up the difference between face and market value. Increasingly that someone has been the brokers themselves instead of third party scalpers. The latest tool in their arsenal is "dynamic pricing" which they stole from the likes of Uber surge pricing.

                      Not sure about elsewhere, but here in the States we have a duopoly of LiveNation/Ticketbastard and AXS for all the larger venues. So there is no market pressure to improve things for consumers.

                      Then on top of that shit sandwich, these primary market brokerage also own secondary market brokerages, including the ability for people to resell (scalp) at a massive profit on their own site. This can make actual fans who wouldn't otherwise be scalpers into opportunistic scalpers. This is a clear conflict of interest and what our antitrust and consumer protection laws were meant to prevent. I believe that brokers intentionally release limited tickets that immediately sell out, and sit back and harvest resale fees when buyers can't resist scalping their tickets to panicked consumers. Then you'll see incremental drops as the concert date approaches. They're doing everything they can to wrest every penny they can from consumers, no matter how unethical and deceptive, and there's no regulations or market forces to stop them.

                      Then on top of THAT double decker shit sandwich these ticket brokers also own and operate venues or have exclusive contracts with them. There is no free market in live music for larger venues, inevitably resulting in enshittification: paying more for less. It will only get worse without addressing the structural and economic issues.

                      Ticketbastard had the gall to gaslight in a court argument that more competition would mean higher fees. Adam Smith rolled in his grave and I compared the $50 in Ticketbastard fees to the $5 in eTix fees on recent purchases.

                      Final point is that a Canadian investigative journalist infiltrated a Ticketbastard event and found them colluding with scalpers years ago. So before they took over that market themselves they were in bed with them.

                      How do we fix it? Artists must insist that brokers limit resale values and eliminate transfers. So you have to resell on the broker's site, and cannot do so at a profit.

                      Think it, be it.

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                        Nick
                        IHUK Crew
                        Joined: 14 Oct 2024

                        Dynamic pricing is diabolical. Stubhub also practically encouraged people to take advantage of each other - but that's literally the foundation for modern day ticket sales.

                        < something witty TBC here >

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                          Matt
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                          Joined: 4 Oct 2011

                          Fortunately most of the shows I attend don’t garner the attention required to support gouging but every once in a while (I’m lookout at you NIN) I’m forced to engage. Do have to keep on the look out for shows my daughter would be interested in now though. Ugh.

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                            ARNC
                            啓蒙家
                            Joined: 13 Dec 2020

                            I’m in a similar position to @matt (in terms of going to lower profile shows, I have no offspring with (or without) questionable musical taste). I feel for anyone who has to engage with the big beasts of the ticketing world. Where it’s an option I’ve found Dice works pretty well for tickets and the success rate of getting face value tickets for sold out events through the wait list is surprisingly high.

                            “Every day that you survive you get a free sunset“

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                              Matt
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                              Joined: 4 Oct 2011

                              I used Dice recently and it was great. All in pricing was really cool.

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                                Tago Mago
                                Mod Squad
                                @Matt
                                Joined: 16 Jan 2021

                                @Matt no need to use your daughters as an excuse. Nobody is judging you for your taste in music

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                                  Matt
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                                  Joined: 4 Oct 2011

                                  I would go to some of those shows. Maybe Billie Eilish or Sabrina Carpenter. Definitely Dua Lipa. I’ll spend any amount for Lana. Hard pass on Talor Swift or Chappell Roan.

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                                    mclaincausey
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                                    Joined: 12 Apr 2013

                                    Here in Denver, we have a robust music scene and plenty of small shows. But we also have Red Rocks, which the city of Denver is now exclusively contracted with AXS for. And AXS and LiveNation either own or are exclusively contracted with many smaller venues, even of just a couple hundred capacity. Luckily there are exceptions like Cervantes who use eTix but those are increasingly outliers.

                                    Even if you have to deal with LN or AXS, the smaller scale and less known shows are less stressful and can be more intimate and satisfying.

                                    I hate the ticket industry but also understand that we aren't entitled to tickets below market value.

                                    Think it, be it.

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                                      tody
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                                      Joined: 24 Feb 2021

                                      That's why I'll go to a punk rock show tonight.

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                                        mclaincausey
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                                        @tody
                                        Joined: 12 Apr 2013

                                        @tody when The Exploited come here they are playing The Oriental, a venue that uses HoldMyTicket.com

                                        I do miss those $5 all ages Fugazi tickets of yore.

                                        Think it, be it.

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                                          tody
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                                          @mclaincausey
                                          Joined: 24 Feb 2021

                                          @mclaincausey dang, that sucks. The Exploited will play the venue I was at tonight on April 8th, and while that comes with a 28€ price tag, you'd probably be able to get a ticket at the door. Glad to still have independent venues around...

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