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    • EdHE
      EdH
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      @Denman-John If it's already started, best to get @JoshC to re-inforce it before it becomes a larger problem. They tend not to stop in place and will just get progressively worse, in my experience.

      Take the dive...

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      • todyT
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        @EdH Yes, along with some other brands who did that, too - as a nod to the brand that influenced them. Unfortunately, not a motive that helps you in a trademark infringement case.

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        • scooterS
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          @EdH , I believe IH (as well as other brands) were also using Levi's chevron arcuates, as well.

          Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

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          • popvultureP
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            It’s interesting — I guess the Levi’s red tab copyright only has real effect in the states, because a lot of brands (Momotaro, Strike Gold, Samurai, TCB, others I’m sure) still have tabs on their jeans if you order a pair from a non-US retailer. I definitely prefer these pairs for the dork factor. Guessing this is also why some brands like Oni don’t put arcs on their US-sold jeans?

            I find this whole IP thing laughable at times from these legacy brands who go after companies who just try to make stuff at the original level of quality of said legacy brands. See also: the entire world of guitar shit.

            WTB
            IHSH-IHG-BLK XXL
            Sugar Cane Coke Stripe SS L charcoal

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            • GraemeEG
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              @popvulture said in Random questions to which you seek an answer:

              the entire world of guitar shit

              Looking at you Jerry Jones

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              • popvultureP
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                @GraemeE Tastytrons

                EDIT: nm I was thinking of TV Jones. But another case in point 😅

                WTB
                IHSH-IHG-BLK XXL
                Sugar Cane Coke Stripe SS L charcoal

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                • Denman JohnD
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                  @EdH Thank you, but I will probably take care of the mending myself as the distance and time to send them to IHUK would be excessive. I also kind of like the look of Sashiko mending. I have 2 pairs that are almost wearing through and will hopefully get to mending them sooner than later. Both pairs are less than a year old with about 3-4 washes and 21oz. Should I be looking for a tighter or looser fit? Wash more often? Or is this par for the course with heavy denim and daily wear? The cuffs are also starting to wear through, but that’s another topic. Just wondering if there might be a fit remedy or is it just wear and tear in a high movement area? One question starts snowballing …

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                  • Denman JohnD
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                    @goosehd Thanks for the link - just finished reading it and answered most of my questions. Much appreciated 👍

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                    • markus_berlin_M
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                      • markus_berlin_M
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                        @endo said in Random questions to which you seek an answer:

                        @markus_berlin_ said in Random questions to which you seek an answer:

                        What do you think?

                        I think I like it. 😉

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                        I like it too, but 200 euros for a Tshirt
                        I would take your shirt for the price 😜😎

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                        • X
                          xzther8
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                          has anyone ever added belt loops to their jeans? I just bought my first pair of 888s and do not like how there is only one center belt loop. I always liked it when jeans have two center belt loops as I feel it gives better support from the back.

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                          • GilesG
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                            @scooter said in Random questions to which you seek an answer:

                            @EdH , I believe IH (as well as other brands) were also using Levi's chevron arcuates, as well.

                            Iron Heart and any other brand Levis decided to have a pop at, were threatened with legal action if we did any of the following.

                            • Used a red red tab
                            • Used an arcuate that resembled the Levis "batwings"
                            • Used a patch that included a pair of jeans being pulled apart by a pair of animate or inanimate objects.

                            It was a complete pain. Haraki did a load of designs for the new arc, shared them with me and we decided on the current version. But to be sure it would be OK, he went and got Levis approval to it.

                            Long story short. This episode was the first major inflection points in our growth as a brand. Until Levis flexed their muscles and threw their weight around, hardly anyone outside of Japan had heard of us (or indeed knew that the Japanese denim scene even existed). Levi's made sure many more did. No such thing as bad publicity.

                            Thanks wankers.

                            "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                            • GilesG
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                              Oh, and on another positive point. Haraki was thrilled that he was put into the position of having to throw off the shackles of being a Levi look-alike.

                              And who doesn't like the red "W"?

                              "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                              • T4920T
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                                @Giles said in Random questions to which you seek an answer:

                                It was a complete pain. Haraki did a load of designs for the new arc, shared them with me and we decided on the current version. But to be sure it would be OK, he went and got Levis approval to it.

                                Do you have pictures you can share of prototype arc designs?

                                “𝑁𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑙𝑒𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑢𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑒 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑏 𝑦𝑜𝑢. 𝑌𝑜𝑢 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑚𝑒𝑒𝑡 𝑖𝑡, 𝑖𝑓 𝑦𝑜𝑢 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑡𝑜, 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑚𝑒 𝑤𝑒𝑎𝑝𝑜𝑛𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑠𝑜𝑛 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑐ℎ 𝑡𝑜𝑑𝑎𝑦 𝑎𝑟𝑚 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑡.”

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                                • GilesG
                                  Giles
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                                  No sorry. I may have taken photos, but it was a LONG time ago (2007).....

                                  "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                  • GilesG
                                    Giles
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                                    Just googling for the date of the original injunction and found this...

                                    https://www.reddit.com/r/rawdenim/comments/1v4988/giles_padmore_of_iron_heart_ama/

                                    I'm particularly proud of this answer.....

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                                    "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                    • T4920T
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                                      @Giles When I go back into denim again around 2020, I was actively seeking out more gimmicky/unique fabrics (N&F, ONI, PBJ Slubs). IH was on my radar but admittedly, I didn't think it looked particularly interesting in photographs...

                                      Went on to pick up the Indigo 18oz CPO on eBay and it was instantly the nicest denim I'd ever had my hands on (still my favourite fabric to this day).

                                      Safe to say, I didn't know what I was talking about.

                                      “𝑁𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑙𝑒𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑢𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑒 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑏 𝑦𝑜𝑢. 𝑌𝑜𝑢 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑚𝑒𝑒𝑡 𝑖𝑡, 𝑖𝑓 𝑦𝑜𝑢 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑡𝑜, 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑚𝑒 𝑤𝑒𝑎𝑝𝑜𝑛𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑠𝑜𝑛 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑐ℎ 𝑡𝑜𝑑𝑎𝑦 𝑎𝑟𝑚 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑡.”

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                                      • AlexA
                                        Alex
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                                        Is Dcs87 your reddit name, @T4920 ?

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                                        • T4920T
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                                          @Alex lol no... Reddit is the only site where I keep my username private so I can indulge in conversation about my wide array of weird/niche interests without being judged by people I know IRL!

                                          Although, I've engaged with a fair few forum members inadvertently on r/rawdenim, so my secret indentity may not be as secret as I'd like to beleive... 😂

                                          “𝑁𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑙𝑒𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑢𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑒 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑏 𝑦𝑜𝑢. 𝑌𝑜𝑢 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑚𝑒𝑒𝑡 𝑖𝑡, 𝑖𝑓 𝑦𝑜𝑢 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑡𝑜, 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑚𝑒 𝑤𝑒𝑎𝑝𝑜𝑛𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑠𝑜𝑛 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑐ℎ 𝑡𝑜𝑑𝑎𝑦 𝑎𝑟𝑚 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑡.”

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                                          • EdHE
                                            EdH
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                                            @Giles said in Random questions to which you seek an answer:

                                            Until Levis flexed their muscles and threw their weight around, hardly anyone outside of Japan had heard of us (or indeed knew that the Japanese denim scene even existed). Levi's made sure many more did. No such thing as bad publicity.

                                            Sounds like one of the earlier examples of the Streisand Effect. Nice.

                                            Take the dive...

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