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    Nuances and Idiosyncrasies of the English Language

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    • AdamJA
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      @popvulture my personal favourite is "very interesting = nonsense"

      The devil is in the detail..

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      • JunkPantsJ
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        @AdamJ That was my favourite as well.

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        • BrianB
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          Let’s not get into the roll, bap, barm cake, cob discussion

          Many years ago I used to work in a high street electronics store on weekends and the manager used to love saying to customers who would come in and say can you help me out with the response of of course sir which way did you come in

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          • T4920T
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            Commas are important...

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            “𝑁𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑙𝑒𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑢𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑒 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑏 𝑦𝑜𝑢. 𝑌𝑜𝑢 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑚𝑒𝑒𝑡 𝑖𝑡, 𝑖𝑓 𝑦𝑜𝑢 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑡𝑜, 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑚𝑒 𝑤𝑒𝑎𝑝𝑜𝑛𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑠𝑜𝑛 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑐ℎ 𝑡𝑜𝑑𝑎𝑦 𝑎𝑟𝑚 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑡.”

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            • mclaincauseyM
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              Team Oxford comma here, and I think skipping the last serial comma is syntactic malpractice.

              Think it, be it.

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              • injunjackI
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                I seriously enjoy this thread. And laughing to myself, as I consider myself pretty good in english which is my second language. I realize now how much I mix english english (taught in school) and american english, which I've learned watching movies, series and old rock'nroll, which makes me probably using quite old idoms or slang. But one thing I almost hate, when people say something is badass, when it's just nice car of bike or clothes you wear or something similar. To me, badass is somebody who can literally kick my ass. (those are few :-D) Please, carry on.

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                • GilesG
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                  Glad you like it.

                  Language mutates that is part of its beauty and interest: gay, sick, nice, aubergine and obviously badass (and I am sure cunt was not a term of affection 50 years ago) 😂

                  I'm too lazy to think of more, but there will be thousands of examples....

                  "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                  • MattM
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                    I’ve never used the Oxford comma. It’s superfluous. Prove me wrong.

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                    • MizmazzleM
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                      Ain’t no one got time for that!

                      In the easy chair with my boots on, melted whiskey in my hand. Could'na been asleep for more than three hours...time to go to work again...

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                      • MattM
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                        I’m just sitting back waiting for @mclaincausey ’s 1000 word essay on the history and merits of the Oxford comma. To which I will simply and succinctly reply: You’re wrong.

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                        • mclaincauseyM
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                          Ambiguous: I invited my parents, Alice and Bob

                          Clear: I invited my parents, Alice, and Bob

                          Beyond that it just makes more sense syntactically if you think about the function of a comma.

                          QED

                          Think it, be it.

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                          • Walery SmirnoffW
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                            There is an opinion here in Russia that in English the sound R has become unclear because once upon a time in Foggy Albion the population had problems with teeth. This is just a theory. My ex-wife's second husband is Canadian. So he, in turn, compared the sound of the Russian language with the creaking of an unselected cart) You, he says, growl, rattle and make noise and do not speak)))

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                            • Walery SmirnoffW
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                              funny of course. We do not hear our native language from the outside and perceive it as given. And foreigners cover their ears and swear))

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                              • mclaincauseyM
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                                I love how Japanese translators convert “selvage” to “cell bitch”

                                Think it, be it.

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                                • EzaE
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                                  Canadian here and question for the Brits do you call a tv remote a doofer? or is that someone pulling my leg?

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                                  • MattM
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                                    @mclaincausey said in Nuances and Idiosyncrasies of the English Language:

                                    Ambiguous: I invited my parents, Alice and Bob

                                    Clear: I invited my parents, Alice, and Bob

                                    Beyond that it just makes more sense syntactically if you think about the function of a comma.

                                    QED

                                    I invited my parents, Alice and Bob. Next?

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                                    • popvultureP
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                                      I used to be a stalwart anti Oxford comma person but came around because a proofreader friend of mine is basically my Yoda of grammar and convinced me. I got used to it.

                                      There’s also the fact that being anti is a minority opinion and it just gets annoying as fuck always having to hear people give you the spiel.

                                      WTB
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                                      • mclaincauseyM
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                                        @Matt you’ve played into the problem. Because I know you don’t use an Oxford comma, your intent is ambiguous. Are you saying you invited your parents, whose names are Alice and Bob, or are you saying you invited your parents along with non-parents Alice and Bob?

                                        You’ve just reiterated my point here.

                                        Think it, be it.

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                                        • mclaincauseyM
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                                          Generally, arbitrary exceptions generate confusion. That’s another reason skipping the final serial comma in a list doesn’t make syntactic sense. It’s just another stupid thing to have to think about. I’m all about simplicity.

                                          Think it, be it.

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                                          • pechelmanP
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                                            Can't help but think this is a softball for a joke?

                                            Ambiguous and potentially very concerning; Matt likes pegging, his jeans and his dog.

                                            Clear but still a little concerning; Matt likes pegging, his jeans, and his dog.

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