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IH-633S - Self Edge x Iron Heart 21oz Selvedge Straight Tapered

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    FireGX
    Raw and Unwashed
    Joined: 14 Feb 2023

    Hello! New to the forum and hoping that it's okay to ask a question about denim stretching (I can't seem to find a way to search within threads..)

    I recently bought a pair of the 633S-21oz and they are just right in the waist (not too tight), but I'm concerned that the thigh doesn't have enough room. In particular, I'm barely able to grab excess fabric at the mid-thigh area (halfway between the bottom of my pelvis and my knees). This area doesn't feel constricting (ie. I can sit or squat down reasonably comfortably; I'm guessing this is because of the 21oz denim's loose weave?) but I'm worried that if I gain any extra weight, it'll become too tight. Does this area stretch at all?

    On a side note, does anyone know how the 14oz denim stretches in the thigh compared to the 21oz?

    last edited by 30 Jun 2023, 01:53 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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      sabergirl
      見習いボス
      Joined: 4 Oct 2013

      21 oz stretches a lot, and more than any other IH denim, imo. It you already have reasonable mobility in the thigh and top block, you should be golden. That said, gaining weight will always mean tighter jeans. Ain’t no way around that.

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        chucklando
        Haraki san Student
        Joined: 19 Feb 2022

        I can tell you the main reason I’ve let go of various pairs of IH jeans is the thighs being too tight as you’re described… barely or no slack that you can pinch when sitting. Sometimes they look really good standing but you sit and then they are skin tight in the thighs. This doesn’t get any better (stretch out) with wear in my experience.

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          yannis
          Haraki san Expert
          Joined: 26 Aug 2020

          You will get stretch out of the 21oz. If you cannot pinch any material standing they are too tight and will not strech enough to be comfortable. Your call..if i was you i would size one up. Post some pictures we can get a better idea about the fit.

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            Paul9221
            啓蒙家
            Joined: 19 Apr 2011

            Let me chime in so that I can comfort and confuse you all at once! 😁

            It sounds like we might be in a similar boat. My waist is comfortable but my thigh is always tight. Not painted-on tight, but tight. Now, if you size up, the waist will be too big and you get a little more of the diaper effect in the crotch and butt areas. This is especially problematic if you like to tuck in your shirt like I do.

            The thigh does stretch. I'm having trouble finding notes for stretch on my personal 21oz indigo, but I have notes that show the thigh stretching from 12.25" to 12.75" on the IH-888S-OD.

            Obviously, it's up to you. I think that you might be unhappy with the top block if you size up. If you can try a size up without too much hassle, that might be your best bet. Just know that the 21oz denim is pretty stretchy where it needs to move.

            You could also try the 888 cut, which is what I use now, to get a tiny bit more room in the thigh, or the 1955 cut, if you don't need the taper.

            Edit -- Additional thoughts

            I should add that, in my personal experience, if the denim isn't at least a little snug on the first wear, you probably should've sized down. That's the great thing about denim, you know? It stretches to you. Each pair becomes personalized. But, it can't stretch to you if it's already bigger than you.

            That having been said, I see the styles online going to bigger and boxier fits. That's not my style but I see the appeal. If you also prefer a trimmer fit, you may want to stick with what you've got.

            Blanket-line all the things!!!

            last edited by Paul9221 30 Jun 2023, 15:11 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 2
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              FireGX
              Raw and Unwashed
              Joined: 14 Feb 2023

              That's basically it - I have a relatively narrow waist but large thighs. That, and I don't think high-rise denim works for me as I have a shorter torso so it makes me look disproportionate. My challenge is that I need to size for my thighs, and if the waist becomes too large then my jeans sit on my hips instead, which might end up producing diaper butt so I prefer lower-rise where possible. I was hoping the 633's mid-rise is a good middle ground.

              Here are some images I took. Waist is comfortable and if anything, just ever so lightly loose now that I've been trying it on a bit (hoping it won't be an issue if I always wear with a belt). The red arrows point to the part of my thigh where it's difficult to pinch any material when standing. It ispossible, but I'm only able to grab a small amount of fabric. I'm able to sit down on a chair without feeling any discomfort.

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                goosehd
                Mod Squad
                @FireGX
                Joined: 8 Apr 2016

                @FireGX My $.02 is that it's too big in the waist...

                "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

                last edited by 30 Jun 2023, 16:26 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
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                  Giles
                  IHUK Crew
                  Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                  I agree

                  "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

                  last edited by 30 Jun 2023, 16:30 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
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                    jerkules
                    啓蒙家
                    Joined: 26 Aug 2018

                    Big thigh to waist ratio dude here 👋. Tried lots of cuts. 555 a total no, 777 better but still a bit tight in the thigh, 888 better, 634 perfection. I know that the lack of taper can put people off the 634, it did for me for a looong time, but you might be surprised if you give it a try.

                    That said, I don’t think your pair look bad at all, but the waist might stretch a bit more and be sloppy. Hope you find something you’re happy with!

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                      Paul9221
                      啓蒙家
                      @FireGX
                      Joined: 19 Apr 2011

                      @FireGX maybe it's the lighting, but that doesn't look too tight in the thigh to me, and the waist may be too wide.

                      Unless you're about to start a bulk, I think you may be able to size down.

                      Remember, this fabric stretches a good deal, it should be tight at first.

                      Blanket-line all the things!!!

                      last edited by Paul9221 30 Jun 2023, 16:47 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
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                        FireGX
                        Raw and Unwashed
                        Joined: 14 Feb 2023

                        Thanks everyone for the input! Now I'm worried about the waist and the thighs, haha!

                        The waist is indeed quite comfortable right now and I understand the 21oz denim might continue to stretch. Would this be prevented as I normally always wear a belt with the denim? I'm just a bit confused with sizing as I've previously taken advice to size down the waist, only to have the denim not stretch as much as I would've liked, and I'm seeing advice online that it's generally better to make sure the denim is comfortable right from the get-go. I'm sure with all sorts of fabrics, weights, loose/dense weaves, it's all a bit "your mileage may vary"...

                        Some local shops carry the 634S, which I believe the 633S is more or less the same from waist to knee, so I'll see how a size down might go. I'm just concerned that sizing down might result in the thigh to knee area being too tight.

                        I'll also check out the 888S but I'm not convinced the high rise will work for me..

                        last edited by 30 Jun 2023, 18:48 P 1 Reply Last reply 2 Jul 2023, 15:23 Reply Quote 0
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                          Kasi
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                          Joined: 9 Oct 2014

                          I says 555 would be your answer or maybe 888

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                            sabergirl
                            見習いボス
                            Joined: 4 Oct 2013

                            Try out the size down. 21 oz denim will stretch at least an inch in the waist, belt or not.

                            last edited by 2 Jul 2023, 03:33 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                              sabergirl
                              見習いボス
                              Joined: 4 Oct 2013

                              FWIW I also think those look fine, and if they’re comfortable maybe you should just rock em

                              last edited by 2 Jul 2023, 03:34 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                Matt
                                見習いボス
                                Joined: 4 Oct 2011

                                Looks like waist is too big and thighs are too tight. I don’t think it’s your cut.

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                                  Paul9221
                                  啓蒙家
                                  @FireGX
                                  Joined: 19 Apr 2011

                                  @FireGX I get the feeling that people are running out of suggestions and you still haven't gotten a satisfactory answer, so let's try approaching this from a different angle, because if you're like me, you're waking up every morning thinking "What the hell am I going to do with these jeans?" 😆

                                  Everyone is going to have a opinion on what looks good, but your opinion is the most important. With that end in mind, do you have a pair of jeans that you think look good on you? If so, can you post their waist, thigh, rear rise, front rise measurements (using the Iron Heart measurement methods)? It might be easier for us to tell you which cut and tag size might come close to those ideal measurements if we had them.

                                  Blanket-line all the things!!!

                                  last edited by Paul9221 7 Feb 2023, 15:24 2 Jul 2023, 15:23 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                    FireGX
                                    Raw and Unwashed
                                    Joined: 14 Feb 2023

                                    @Paul9221 you read my mind! I've been sitting at home with the jeans, reading everyone's comments, and thinking about what feels right to me. Thank you everyone for sharing your feedback with me.

                                    I think my best fitting pair I have at home currently is a pair of Uniqlo's Kaihara denim. The measurements (IH way) are as follows:
                                    Waist = 32"
                                    Front Rise: 10.25"
                                    Back Rise = 15.6"
                                    Thigh = 12.5"
                                    Knee @13" = 8.5"
                                    Hem = 7.25"

                                    I attached fit pics of my Uniqlo pair.

                                    The 633S from SelfEdge have the following measurements currently after wearing them at home here and there, sitting around, etc for a few days:
                                    Tag Size 31
                                    Waist = 33.5" (note, listed size chart on SE's website says 31.5" but they don't measure the IH-way; my guess is IH-way measurement would've been 32-32.5" originally)
                                    Front rise = 10.25"
                                    Back rise = 14.6"
                                    Thigh = 12.25"
                                    Knee@13" = 8.6"
                                    Hem =7.5"

                                    The 633S is admittedly a little loose on the waist right now, but they're held up in place with my glutes. I aimed for a larger waist measurement than my Uniqlo pair as I need to size for my thighs, but also because the Uniqlo pair was a touch uncomfortable when sitting down at the waist button. Funny enough, despite the larger waist measurement of the Iron Hearts, they're still a touch tight when sitting down at the waist button, but I think I'm learning that this is actually due to the pair being slimmer overall in the glutes area.

                                    I think if I sized down on the 633S the thighs would be too tight. I think the 888 cut in size 31 might be the best alternative from Iron Heart but I'm a bit worried they might stretch out too much; I've previously worn a couple pairs of Tanuki high tapered denim and they all end up sitting closer to my hips and sagging creating a diaper butt effect.

                                    Currently, I'm leaning towards keeping the 633S and just seeing how things go as they do feel comfortable sitting around at home, even if they are slightly slimmer in the thigh to knee area. I am wondering if I am making a mistake and if the waist will keep stretching and stretching.

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                                    last edited by FireGX 7 Feb 2023, 18:12 2 Jul 2023, 18:10 P 1 Reply Last reply 3 Jul 2023, 02:07 Reply Quote 1
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                                      Matt
                                      見習いボス
                                      Joined: 4 Oct 2011

                                      The point is kind of moot. This won’t be your only pair of IH denim. 😉

                                      last edited by 2 Jul 2023, 18:15 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
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                                        sabergirl
                                        見習いボス
                                        Joined: 4 Oct 2013

                                        Matt speaks the truth. Pretty sure that 888 or 633 is going to be the closest you can get to those measurements.

                                        last edited by 2 Jul 2023, 18:23 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
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                                          goosehd
                                          Mod Squad
                                          Joined: 8 Apr 2016

                                          Joining in to say the 888’s if sized correctly are your best bet. Personally I would take the current jeans back and trade them in on another pair.

                                          "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

                                          last edited by goosehd 7 Feb 2023, 18:30 2 Jul 2023, 18:29 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
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