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    • gaseousclayG
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      https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/19/world/coronavirus-flatten-the-curve-countries.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

      Another article on ‘flattening the curve,’ and who’s having some success

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      • GilesG
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        What's amazing is this is in the future tense….

        US President Donald Trump said on Thursday he would move to rush the development of vaccines and treatments “as fast as it can possibly be done”

        "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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        • neph93N
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          @Giles:

          US President Donald Trump said on Thursday he would move to rush the development of vaccines and treatments “as fast as it can possibly be done, golfing commitments permitting…”

          Fixed

          «Stevie Heighway on the wing!
          We had dreams, and songs to sing…»

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          • GilesG
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            😃 😃 😃 😃 😃

            "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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              @DougNg:

              Jody and I just booked a couple vacations for the fall, airfare is insanely cheap at the moment

              Did you tack on any last minute cancellation insurance?

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                  An article on the Coronavirus. Looks like restrictions are going to be a thing for another 12 to 18 months.

                  https://www.technologyreview.com/s/615370/coronavirus-pandemic-social-distancing-18-months/

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                  • JDelageJ
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                    If we don't find a way to work around the confinement, such a measure would cripple the economy. The Great Depression would look like a week at ClubMed in comparison.

                    If this is the only way to stop the disease from running its course, governments will have no other choice but to let the disease run its course. By that point, it would be by far the less painful course of action.

                    Let's hope we find a cure soon.

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                    • neph93N
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                      Meh… the modeling referred to in the article is useful, the idea that this will change everything a lot is one I concure with, and the probablity that measures will last longer than most realise is high, in my opinion. Regardless, the article is quite speculative, and does not take into account potential positive developments like vaccines, treatments or a host of other things.

                      «Stevie Heighway on the wing!
                      We had dreams, and songs to sing…»

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                      • JDelageJ
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                        Agreed.

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                        • BloodnThunderB
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                          There is also potential, when testing becomes widely available, the rest of the world does what South Korea did and has everyone get tested.  If in, say six months, a test is available to everyone and it turns out it is already in a vast majority of the populations RNA (which I think in six months or less it will be) then things may calm down quite a bit in terms quarantine.  Obviously there are a whole lot of 'ifs' in that but its not impossible.

                          Separately, I do hope we all can keep hold of some of the good habits that have been formed during this time.  Assuming we do, it will be interesting to see future cold and flu season numbers post COVID vs. Pre-COVID.

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                          • neph93N
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                            @BloodnThunder:

                            Separately, I do hope we all can keep hold of some of the good habits that have been formed during this time.  Assuming we do, it will be interesting to see future cold and flu season numbers post COVID vs. Pre-COVID.

                            There is a lot of potential in this situation, grim as it currently is. Both one way and the other.

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                            We had dreams, and songs to sing…»

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                              'Fail we may…Sail we must'

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                              • DougNgD
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                                Considering you can be asymptomatic but still be contagious, I still don’t know how useful the tests are going to be, unless you want to test everyone daily.

                                I know violence is not the answer, I got it wrong on purpose

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                                • neph93N
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                                  @DougNg:

                                  Considering you can be asymptomatic but still be contagious, I still don’t know how useful the tests are going to be, unless you want to test everyone daily.

                                  If you are infected but asymptomatic and you get tested you will still test positive for the virus, or am I misunderstanding your point?

                                  «Stevie Heighway on the wing!
                                  We had dreams, and songs to sing…»

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                                    @BloodnThunder:

                                    Separately, I do hope we all can keep hold of some of the good habits that have been formed during this time.  Assuming we do, it will be interesting to see future cold and flu season numbers post COVID vs. Pre-COVID.

                                    Using 1918 as a guide, what we may see is the combination of seasonal change and measures we've taken lead to the outbreak seeming to go away within a couple or few months, then when winter returns at the end of the year the resulting comfort and complacency from seeming to have gotten past the virus will render us extremely vulnerable to the next outbreak. I hope that policymakers and public refuse to let up no matter what. Even when we think we're done with this outbreak, we won't be done with outbreaks.

                                    Pandemics are inevitable, and IMO so far we've gotten off lucky with this "reminder." It could have been an airborne-transmissible Ebola, or had Coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) transmissibility and SARS (SARS-CoV) lethality (it was more deadly but less contagious). I believe we will eventually see something like that and worse, and we'd damn well better be ready for it. Meanwhile, gotta shut down these Petri dishes like the Chinese wild animal wet markets and reevaluate animal supply chains in general.

                                    Crazy to think of how many deadly pathogens can be traced back to bats and rodents. Coronavirus and Ebola are so different from one another but both likely trace back to bats.

                                    Think it, be it.

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                                    • DougNgD
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                                      @neph93:

                                      @DougNg:

                                      Considering you can be asymptomatic but still be contagious, I still don’t know how useful the tests are going to be, unless you want to test everyone daily.

                                      If you are infected but asymptomatic and you get tested you will still test positive for the virus, or am I misunderstanding your point?

                                      In theory you should test positive, yes

                                      I know violence is not the answer, I got it wrong on purpose

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                                      • steelworkerS
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                                        😃 😃 fucking awesome!

                                        Those are my principles, and if you don't like them…
                                        Well, I have others.

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                                        • neph93N
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                                          @DougNg:

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                                          @DougNg:

                                          Considering you can be asymptomatic but still be contagious, I still don’t know how useful the tests are going to be, unless you want to test everyone daily.

                                          If you are infected but asymptomatic and you get tested you will still test positive for the virus, or am I misunderstanding your point?

                                          In theory you should test positive, yes

                                          I think the point if widespread aggressive testing, as used to apparently great affect in S. Korea, is that it gives you an idea of where the virus is and in what numbers. This allows the use of more targeted measures when combined with following up transmission vectors, which SK also did well.

                                          Ignoring the catastrophic economic and social consequences, the kind of lockdowns being used now in the West are going to contribute to slowing the spread, but they are effectively blanket bombing.

                                          «Stevie Heighway on the wing!
                                          We had dreams, and songs to sing…»

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                                          • Stuart.TS
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                                            Would people with confirmed key worker roles in their respective countries be happy to identify and assist in sharing the objective information that they are being given so that it can help to more reliably inform others?

                                            We should be socially responsible and try to minimise the hysteria that is caused by bad press and vlogger types.

                                            I'll start… For those of us in the UK (to hear mean England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland) here is a link to the Coronavirus Bill 2020.it states emergency measures and restrictions on existing legislation. What is interesting to me is that it applies a blanket bill across the UK. Scotland and Northern Ireland ALWAYS have their own bills and acts of Parliment/assembly:

                                            https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-bill-what-it-will-do/what-the-coronavirus-bill-will-do#contents-of-the-bill

                                            What I've just found quite startling is that on Thursday at work we were sent links to that actual bill that now do not exist. I think i downloaded a full copy.

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