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    • S
      sabergirl
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      Ooh thanks for the tip, [mention]Clint_D [/mention] . We will be on the lookout!

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      • mclaincauseyM
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        Finally watching now. Thank you! Logging my thoughts as I watch.

        To be majorly nitpicky, it starts with a bit of an inaccurate generalization, implying that mezcal is always cooked in a horno in the form of an underground, earthen pit oven. It’s a little confusing, because the term mezcal is both a superset of all agave spirits, including tequila, and a registered DOM. But there are mezcals that use other methods to cook the piñas, as is common on a few states such as San Luis Potosí, where they use autoclaves as they do for tequila in Jalisco. It is not always smoky as they mention because it is not always cooked the same way.

        It was fascinating to see what looked like arroqueño and other long, narrow piñas mixed in to the same horno as what could have been espadin piñas. I never thought that they might mix varietals in the same roast, though they certainly do that in the distilling process with ensambles. I would have assumed the different varieties had different cooking requirements so that was interesting to see.

        While the growth rate in popularity didn’t surprise me (at low scales a growth rate being extreme is to be expected), it was sobering to hear that the US market had already surpassed Mexico’s 3 years ago. I’m not sure how long we will have some of the wild cultivars around, like my favorite, Tepeztate. So far no one has figured out how to cultivate them, the gestation periods can be decades, and no maguey renews seasonally: once you harvest the piña, it’s gone. So enjoy them while you can, as a lot of these will get very expensive and then be very gone. I’ve seen what look like agave plants in the Mediterranean, so maybe production can continue to expand our side of the ancestral home.

        Very sad that some producers don’t even want to be associated with the term “mezcal” given what they’ve done with the DOM. You can see how special this spirit is to these producers, and to see their government and outside influences come in and impact it in such a way, while exploiting them, is a terrible thing to see. Same old story of corruption and cronyism hurting the little guy to the benefit of wealthier and more powerful entities. I have tried to find producer owned labels but they are difficult to find. There are a few like Dixeebe and I hope more of them find success and make it to the US. You see how hard these people work in these videos and for foreign businesses to pay them pennies on the dollar for all that sweat equity and the sacred output of it is so vile. But none of that was new to me. I want my money going to the producers, not middlemen who have inserted themselves into the picture to exploit them.

        Interesting to learn about the ways the plants protect themselves, from thorns that work their way into you to toxins. Hardy beasts!

        I didn’t know they used waste product as an insulator in the horno and for cleaning bottles and floors. For a process that is often unsustainable beyond what I mentioned about harvesting (e.g., wastewater and what they called inquiche traditionally has been dumped into streams, where it can contaminate the water table and damage farmland’s ability to produce), it is good to hear of this reuse. There is a company down there that is forming bricks to be used for construction out of waste products (Sombra, which I think is another one of these sort of colonial enterprises started by a white American, but at least they’re looking at a sustainable practice).

        Love Satan the horse 😂

        Amazing that mosquitos infest the fermentation tank and I loved how that fact filled the producer with mirth.

        All in all a terrific video, thank you for the share @Jett129

        Think it, be it.

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          Thank you so much for taking the time and effort to write this. Really informative. Is not wanting to call their products mezcal similar to,years ago, when, in order to avoid taxation,they made Racilla,and didn’t call it Tequila. To date the single best mezcal I’ve had was the Tepezate,which is no longer available in my area. Is Real Minero the real deal,or did I fall for it. I was obviously taken/impressed with the woman in the video. Especially when she said any clown can make mezcal.

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          • GilesG
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            I loved that part too…..

            "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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            • mclaincauseyM
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              My pleasure. Not an expert just my opinions.

              Real is 100% legit and respected. I hope they treat their producers well.

              I don’t know the background on raicilla but they use methods that diverge from tequila, different species than blue Weber agave, sometimes they use hornos instead of autoclaves, etc. the only thing that often aligns to the requirements of the tequila DOM is that it is in Jalisco. I have always thought of it as people using methods that simply don’t conform to the DOM requirements because that’s what they’ve done and what they like to do. It produces a more interesting and varied spirit, but I also love tequila. I love raicilla and want to tour a plantation I found next time I visit Jalisco, but some producers aren’t plantations given their scale and primitivity. La Venenosa has some tremendous ones, especially the green, red, and orange labels.

              Women are coming up in the mezcal scene. I’ve had some great ones produced by women and I too was taken with her. I think she’s right about everything. And there are a lot of really bad mezcals because doing it is maybe not easy in terms of sweat, but in terms of skill. But doing it well requires skill and experience and I think they have to be able to adapt.

              Think it, be it.

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                I had read that raicilla translates to little root,which is what they told the tax collectors the spirit was made from,so as to avoid paying the tequila tax,since they argued that it wasn’t technically tequila. I have a bottle of it,and not sure if I like it yet.

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                • ARNCA
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                  Something a bit different that I’ve been curious to try for a little while. It’s good, although I’m getting a bit more cinnamon on the palate than I’d expected.

                  “Every day that you survive you get a free sunset“

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                    I’d be curious as to what the Mezcal cask,originally,was,like maybe a bourbon barrel.

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                    • ARNCA
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                      @Jett129 I’m not sure. All I could find about the casks is this: “After at least three years in new, toasted virgin American oak casks, it has been rounded off with at least 6-months ageing in old mezcal casks from Mexican Oro de Oaxaca.”

                      A bit more general info here: https://stauningwhisky.com/products/stauning-bastard-70cl

                      “Every day that you survive you get a free sunset“

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                        Thanks,I was just curious because Mezcal isn’t traditionally a barrel aged spirit,and when it is,most often,those barrels contained bourbon.

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                        • hajdukH
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                          When precious friends comes to visit us comes very nice food and lot of such good wines from France! South Africa! Croatia! Sicilia! Austria!
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                            We’re down in Mexico visiting family, and had some flights at Corazón del Maguey in Coyoacán. It’s the restaurant owned by the makers of Alipús and Los Danzantes.
                            I think I’ll bring home a bottle of the San Miguel Sola, and my all-time favorite, San Baltazar. I may not get to do much more tasting, as we’ve got a lot of family events going on, and I only get to stay for five days.

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                              I’m pretty sure you’re the one who originally introduced me to Alipus Mezcal,and the San Baltazar has become my favorite and the mezcal that I measure all others against. Can’t imagine how cheap it must be down there. It’s $59.96 in NYC.

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                                Im glad you can get your hands on it! Alipús rarely appears in our liquor stores, and I’ve never been able to get San Baltazar. It is pretty expensive stuff.

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                                • ROmanR
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                                  Have a great time there Ann and Marcia.

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                                  • mclaincauseyM
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                                    Super envious!

                                    It was always true
                                    That Alipus makes good juice
                                    Dixeebe and have fun

                                    Think it, be it.

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                                    • ddtrashD
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                                      Had a rather nice birthday gift last month from Mrs Trash. Debating on whether to open it or not or add it to the collection?

                                      There is no 'I' in team …............ however there are five in 'individual brilliance'.

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                                        I don’t know how you lasted a month!

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                                        • ddtrashD
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                                          @Jett129 You have a very good point 😎.

                                          I have some bottles for drinking and some investment bottles. Trying to work out which category this one will end up in.  Also been away at work so no chance to get tempted to crack it open.

                                          Was anyone quick enough to get the latest Ardbeg Hypernova release? I missed out this time unfortunately.

                                          There is no 'I' in team …............ however there are five in 'individual brilliance'.

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                                            If I can’t get 2 bottles of investment potential bourbon then the one that I am able to get is immediately opened.

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