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    • Matty123M
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      I ordered one pair of N and F years ago. They were shite. Measurements were off. Poor quality IMO. Sorry mike. Maybe send those back.

      Maybe so. Maybe not

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      • Filthy2123ozjunkieF
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        I wouldn't say these are shit quality at all. The denim is fucking awesome. Shit happens. I am kind of excited to wear then actually.

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        • Matty123M
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          I was speaking for the pair I bought. They weren’t the same as yours clearly.

          Maybe so. Maybe not

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          • gaseousclayG
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            @Matty123:

            I ordered one pair of N and F years ago. They were shite. Measurements were off. Poor quality IMO. Sorry mike. Maybe send those back.

            I don't think their fit charts were ever really accurate, unless you bought them from a place like BOW who does their own measurements. N&F also operates on a much larger scale, thus, their fit charts will not reflect actual inventory in the same way that IH's fit charts do. Not defending N&F by any means but we've become spoiled with IH measurements and tend to view other denim companies through the IH lens imo.

            WTB:
            IHSH-129 size L (blue)
            IHSH-19

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            • neph93N
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              @gaseousclay:

              …we've become spoiled with IH measurements and tend to view other denim companies through the IH lens imo...

              This is a thing. I’m going to call it “Iron Heart Goggles”. When I shop stuff online for my sons I have to take off my Iron Heart Goggles all the time or I go mental.

              “Some of those that work forces
              Are the same that burn crosses”

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              • gaseousclayG
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                @neph93:

                This is a thing. I’m going to call it “Iron Heart Goggles”. When I shop stuff online for my sons I have to take off my Iron Heart Goggles all the time or I go mental.

                Yep. If I'm interested in something from another brand i'll send the shop an email asking them to measure whatever the Iron Heart way. The IH way of measuring should be universal  😃 It certainly takes a lot of the guess work out of buying clothes.

                WTB:
                IHSH-129 size L (blue)
                IHSH-19

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                  Anything new to report regarding their handling of the loose button debacle, @Filthy ?

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                  • Filthy2123ozjunkieF
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                    @Crit_Obs:

                    Anything new to report regarding their handling of the loose button debacle, @Filthy ?

                    They have offered to repair it. But I am not in town to send them back.

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                    • gaseousclayG
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                      @Filthy:

                      @Crit_Obs:

                      Anything new to report regarding their handling of the loose button debacle, @Filthy ?

                      They have offered to repair it. But I am not in town to send them back.

                      Good luck and keep us informed. I’m genuinely curious if they can fix the button.

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                      WTB:
                      IHSH-129 size L (blue)
                      IHSH-19

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                        ^What this man said. I'm curious too.

                        In related news, in my private correspondence with them they said they measured the tag size 32-33 pairs in order to find a pair with the biggest thigh, but somehow the results are exactly as in the chart on their site; contrast this with Filthy's experience (12.5" in the chart, 13.1" measured) and I don't know what to think. 😞 I want a pair sort of badly but logically thinking, I shouldn't take the risk considering their no returns policy and the fact that after shipping + tax, it could potentially turn out to be a $700+ pair of jeans I could look at but not wear.

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                        • gaseousclayG
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                          @Crit_Obs:

                          In related news, in my private correspondence with them they said they measured the tag size 32-33 pairs in order to find a pair with the biggest thigh, but somehow the results are exactly as in the chart on their site; contrast this with Filthy's experience (12.5" in the chart, 13.1" measured) and I don't know what to think. 😞 [b]I want a pair sort of badly but logically thinking, I shouldn't take the risk considering their no returns policy and the fact that after shipping + tax, it could potentially turn out to be a $700+ pair of jeans I could look at but not wear.

                          Yep, too risky and a very expensive mistake to make if sizing didn't pan out, or if a button popped off like @Filthy

                          WTB:
                          IHSH-129 size L (blue)
                          IHSH-19

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                          • Filthy2123ozjunkieF
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                            @Crit_Obs my advice is they probably aren't worth it. And to wait for Nobrandeon or Cheese denim to make another 32 oz run. Cheese is a bespoke denim brand… they can make you whatever.

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                              They are definitely using a different method to measure than we are familiar with, if they’re actually measuring at all.

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                              • jock1624J
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                                I found their denims stretch  a lot . I'm normally a 33 inch waist in IH and most Japanese brands . However on N&F ones I was a 31 . True to their word , the fudging denims stretched to a 33 or more . Luckily I had a shop that stocks many denim brands N&F being one of them , for a try on first . They carry IH stuff now too .

                                Found the APC denims to be a similar situation years ago too.

                                Mirthing my way through life.

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                                • Filthy2123ozjunkieF
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                                  I still haven't heard anything about my jeans other than they are looking to see if they can find a replacement button. Not real impressed with the customer service or communication from the store or NF.

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                                  • ChrisC
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                                    I was going to make joke about how it's probably because of the metric system, or the exchange rate, or because they're French Canadian, but I couldn't come up with anything.  So I'll just say that sucks, and that I wish your experience has been better.

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                                    • C
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                                      That's poor form and especially so considering it's a $545 pair of jeans. ::) Hope they a) get it fixed and b) compensate you accordingly.

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                                        They should just send you a new pair, if another of your size exists, in exchange. None of this time wasting over fixing the button. For such a high dollar item, I’m disturbed that their response isn’t more proactive.

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                                        • scooterS
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                                          I'd have to agree with sabergirl, here. For my money, they'd have to give an even exchange, or full refund.

                                          As a matter of principle, I don't accept defective goods, unless I am informed prior. I'm of the opinion, if a company believes consumers are willing to accept flaws like this and the "fix" they are offering, it affords them the luxury of lesser quality control. That is a luxury I'm NOT willing to afford them.

                                          Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

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                                          • Filthy2123ozjunkieF
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                                            Buyer beware.  😃

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