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    • mclaincauseyM
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      I'm going "full of shit."

      The entire backstory to me seems designed to justify a high price.

      Think it, be it.

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      • GilesG
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        Full of shit gets my vote….

        "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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        • ChrisC
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          @DougNg:

          Or is Omega full of shit?

          Yes.

          The idea that they couldn't follow the original specs and instead had to go to extreme lengths to recreate the movement is absurd.  It's not an illuminated manuscript from the dark ages.  There are probably still a couple of employees at Omega that assembled the originals. It wasn't that long ago.

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          • GilesG
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            IMO, it's rather an own goal.  "Hey, we are so shite at looking after our heritage, we've lost all sorts of essential data.  You send your few decades old watch in for refurb/service, we're going to have to back engineer the fecker, or bodge it…..

            "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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            • DougNgD
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              That's as idiotic as "I'm going to find out more about my family history so I'm going to talk to a monkey"

              Which has varying levels of effectiveness depending on your family I suppose…

              I know violence is not the answer, I got it wrong on purpose

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              • mclaincauseyM
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                They are also doing sedna gold PVD in lieu of the original copper in order to preserve the look of copper in the movement. With gold. That is not a typo

                But gold doesn't tarnish so that may be a legitimate aim. It seems odd to take such pains to replicate the original and then switch up materials though.

                Think it, be it.

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                • GraemeG
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                  Omega also used a CT scanner to replicate the case of the limited edition Railmaster. It could be that it's a quick and dirty way of acquiring a 3D model, or that with components being hand made back in the sixties, there was some deviation from their specifications.

                  Marketing has no doubt picked up on this and oversold it.

                  I suspect that there's been a bit of subtle modernisation of the movement. The Wrist Chronograph has a few subtle upgrades. That might have been what took the time.

                  https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/first-omega-wrist-chronograph-limited-edition-1918-introducing

                  FP Journe uses gold movements too. It's probably a way of charging a lot more. 🙂

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                  • JDelageJ
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                    I'm sure it's not only the quickest but also the best way (and maybe the easiest / cheapest) to accurately translate a series of complex 3D shape into digital files. No doubt those will be combed over & edited with the help of any paper docs they may still have.

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                    • mclaincauseyM
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                      It's an easy way to get a 3D model, but you know what's easier and more accurate and doesn't include worn gears and the like?

                      Entering the measurements from the blueprints into your CAD system or tooling equipment.

                      It is unquestionably just a bunch of bullshit hype.

                      Think it, be it.

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                      • DougNgD
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                        I know a little bit about manufacturing being a knife and gun enthusiast, and what a scan won't tell you is the +/- of tolerances. It just tells you what things are right now. Every individual part has over and under tolerances that are not the same across all parts. Having a series of parts that are +/- in series results in tolerance stacking, ultimately affecting the reliability.

                        I know violence is not the answer, I got it wrong on purpose

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                        • GraemeG
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                          It's also possible that the design documents for the Calibre 321 weren't complete. There's an article at Ars Technica about the recreation of the F-1 engine used by the Saturn V, which was designed in the sixties, and goes into the problems facing resurrecting old technology.

                          https://arstechnica.com/science/2013/04/how-nasa-brought-the-monstrous-f-1-moon-rocket-back-to-life/

                          Incidentally, there was serious consideration of reusing this for NASA's heavy lift system.

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                          • mclaincauseyM
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                            Again though, the problem with all of that is that the movement never went out of production within entities that ultimately became the parent company of Omega.

                            A certified Omega watchmaker on the Omega forums called it bollocks too.

                            Think it, be it.

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                            • JDelageJ
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                              What is the "bollocks" part of the claim here? In other words, are people claiming that Omega used CT scanning solely for the sake of generating a marketing claim?

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                              • mclaincauseyM
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                                That is the claim, or at least that they are outsizing the CT and other efforts described to recreate a movement that never went out of production.

                                Think it, be it.

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                                • Max PowerM
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                                  I was wondering - is there something like a defintive maker of Nato straps worth checking out?

                                  @elclintor:

                                  > I don't care what people say.. The Max Power way is the right way…

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                                  • GraemeG
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                                    Anyone else following SIHH?

                                    Vacheron Constantin have unveiled a very trick perpetual calendar with a standby mode that stretches the power reserve out to 65 days. It slows the movement down from 5 Hz to 1.25 Hz. Oh, and if you want one it's €210K.

                                    Audemars Piguet launched the CODE 11.59 range, which has way too much marketing speak in its branding. None of the watch nerds seem to like them, but sales copy aside, I think that they're attractive. And the aventine dial on their perpetual calendar looks fantastic.

                                    Fortunately they also brought along a few new Royal Oak models. The basic model has been refreshed, and looks pretty sharp.

                                    Then there's the A. Lange & Söhne Richard Lange Jumping Seconds… 😘

                                    Ulysse Nardin are doing a sawn-off Freak at a lower price point.

                                    And Hermès have produced a fantastic moon-phase. The subdials rotate, covering the fixed moons.

                                    Lastly, IWC have added to their pilot watches. There are new four ceramic models in their Top Gun range, including a 39 mm piece that's similar to a Mark XVIII, but with an in-house movement. The Spitfire collection is all retro steel and bronze.

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                                    • louisboscoL
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                                      not really. the only thing that popped up was the group of royal oak.. i've gotta say, that lange up there, gotta love it when they do the criss cross hands..

                                      "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

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                                      • ChrisC
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                                        Those Hermes moon phase and the UN Freak are the standouts, in my opinion.  And I agree that the aventine dial looks impressive, though the overall watch is a bit too much.

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                                        • JDelageJ
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                                          Thank you for this. Those Hermes look super nice!

                                          I like that AP Supersonnerie - from afar. The enamel dial is lovely.

                                          RA always look sublime and I think the new one improves on the previous iteration, which is saying a lot.

                                          The IWC Spitfire combines my favorite case material, bronze, with my favorite dial color, green, so it's very attractive… The chrono seem pretty well priced compared to the basic model.

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                                          • GraemeG
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                                            A few more bits and pieces from SIHH.

                                            Montblanc have been doing some fantastic chronographs based around the Minerva monopusher movements, and this year's is the best so far.

                                            There was talk that the TAG Heuer 02T was getting a carbon nanotube hairspring last year. It's now arrived, and promises better shock resistance, anti-magnetic properties, and thermal stability than steel or silicon. But they would say that.

                                            Bulgari own the Gérald Genta brand after they bought it off The Hour Glass, a Singapore based retailer. They've done a fiftieth anniversary piece, which I rather like.

                                            H Moser & Cie have produced a one-off Apple Watch knockoff, which is a minute repeater and tourbillon. They also left the hands off.

                                            Meanwhile Richard Mille is trolling the super-rich by producing a collection based on sweets!

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