IH-461 - Non Selvedge 21oz Indigo Boot Cut Jean

[van Olzon]

sizing table confuses me … hem should be wider than knee on a bootcut

[Giles]

Sorry.  Webpage is correct
Will sort out post above in a sec….

[madmonday]

those boots are perfect.

[Cole]

@Giles:

I wish these where the measurements of the 461s, then my one would not be so damn tight in the waist right now.

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[Bob]

I can't do the digging waistband thing, either. Life is too short to wear hurty jawns.

[Giles]

As a designer/patterner, one has much more scope to make a flattering cut with non selvedge.  With selvedge, you have to have a straight side seam.  With non selvedge you don't.  So on the 634 and 461, the side seam is curved to be more flattering.  The non selvedge 21oz denim is woven on a projectile loom at extremely high tension (much higher than a shuttle loom can weave at) and is treated with resin before we cut and sew, this makes them, more hard wearing, more wind proof,  more waterproof and prevents flapping at the cuff when riding.

[bwest1000]

I bought a pair of these from selfedge here in the states.  I am going to get them hemmed, but before I do I just wanted to ask about shrinkage after I wash them the first time.  How much should I expect?  I wear a lot of boots, and I am typically a 30" inseam.  I know what it says on the webpage, but I just wanted to make sure before I lop off the bottoms of my very, very nice jeans.  Since they are not selvadge, I don't plan on cuffing.

[Giles]

From the product page:

Sanforized so little or no shrinkage but like all denim, will stretch up to one inch in the waist with wear

[bwest1000]

I'm glad to see you're consistent, and I appreciate the reply. Thanks.

[Sam]

Restocked in tag 30 & 34

[Giles]

restock

[bwest1000]

Does anyone have experience with these and the selvedge boot cut version?  I was wondering about any subtle differences that people might have picked up on by wearing both.  I have a pair of these, non-selvedge, but I am also interested in getting a pair in the selvedge.

[Giles]

Restocked

[steelworker]

Some love for 461.
Do you @Alex have any nonselvedge jeans planned?

[sabergirl]

Ooh, good question, Ed! 461 look good on ya

[steelworker]

Thanks @sabergirl !

[Giles]

We used to stock them but people who apparently can't read would buy them and then return them because they were not selvedge. The denim also does not have as much character as the selvedge 21oz. The 461 is also a tricky cut to get to fit right, which increased the number of returns.

[Alex]

@steelworker said in IH-461 - Non Selvedge 21oz Indigo Boot Cut Jean:

Do you @Alex have any nonselvedge jeans planned?

Nothing planned, no

[Travis2375]

Does anybody know what the Z stands for in 461Z ?
@Alex @Giles

[Oaktavia]

@Travis2375 Z stands for zipper fly, as opposed to button fly.