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    • hecticH
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      @Megatron1505 not sure if you are baiting - surely its about teasing out the elements of quality in any medium/piece of culture.

      Coldplay - stupid tape on his fingers and he dances like Adam Sandler needing a poo but Yellow was really great when it broke.

      Designer furniture - sure you can burn money on gauche crap but an Eames chair is an amazing, enduring design.

      Wes Anderson - yeah so he's kinda fey but who wasn't rooting for Mr Fox - dude's got heart.

      Coffee - Starbucks can kiss my arse, they have an anodyne, bad tasting product but producing a perfect espresso at home after you have rebuilt your coffee machine is rewarding and delicious (and doesn't cost £5)

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      • Megatron1505M
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        Merely expressing an unpopular opinion  😉

        Enjoy your cuppa Joe fellas  🙂

        Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

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        • gbougardG
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          @Megatron1505:

          The superfluous modern enjoyment of coffee in much of the west is a very "middle class white" (mcw) thing to obsess and gush over, in the same bracket as Coldplay, designer furniture and watching films by Wes Anderson.

          You've been to Italy?

          Sly Dunbar bigs up IH on YT
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t2OM738mKY
          Sly & Robbie A Run Tings
          Gregory Isaacs Liveth 4 I-ver

          Renault: What in heaven’s name brought you to Casablanca?
          Rick: My health. I came to Casablanca for the waters.
          Renault: The waters? What waters? We’re in the desert.
          Ric

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          • Megatron1505M
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            Also, as the number of responses to my post suggests, I'm the one being baited  😉

            Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

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            • gbougardG
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              @gbougard:

              @Megatron1505:

              The superfluous modern enjoyment of coffee in much of the west is a very "middle class white" (mcw) thing to obsess and gush over, in the same bracket as Coldplay, designer furniture and watching films by Wes Anderson.

              You've been to Italy?

              Or Jamaica?

              Sly Dunbar bigs up IH on YT
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t2OM738mKY
              Sly & Robbie A Run Tings
              Gregory Isaacs Liveth 4 I-ver

              Renault: What in heaven’s name brought you to Casablanca?
              Rick: My health. I came to Casablanca for the waters.
              Renault: The waters? What waters? We’re in the desert.
              Ric

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              • ChrisC
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                @Megatron1505:

                …in the same bracket as Coldplay, designer furniture and watching films by Wes Anderson.

                My dislike of coffee is surpassed by my dislike of Coldplay (though I concede that Yellow was a good song) and my mystification at the love of Wes Anderson movies.

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                • mclaincauseyM
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                  Coldplay makes me angry, but not as angry as Oasis.

                  Think it, be it.

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                  • pillowPANTSP
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                    Rather hear Oasis anyday then the slit my wrist, cry myself to sleep, please feel bad for me garbage that is Coldplay

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                    • FergzF
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                      Shit music doesn't make me angry any more. Over that annoyance a long time ago eschewing as I do commercial radio and X factor type shows.

                      Coffee however is a different matter. Different beans, different brewing processes different tastes. Big coffee drinker but trotting out the old middle class gasbagger line is playing up to a tired stereotype. Tea is just as knob centric these days and while there may be an element of hijacking it's ubiquitousness as a drink of the common man, that could be said about anything. Denim even!

                      "Better to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission"

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                      • mclaincauseyM
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                        While we're on the topic of coffee, Dunkin Donuts' coffee is offensive to my palate. I cannot stand it, the only thing worse is the dirt water they serve at work.

                        Think it, be it.

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                        • ChrisC
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                          @pillowPANTS:

                          Rather hear Oasis anyday then the slit my wrist, cry myself to sleep, please feel bad for me garbage that is Coldplay

                          Wonderwall makes me want to slit my wrists.  What a truly odious song.

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                          • Megatron1505M
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                            Whilst researching something unrelated a Google search brought up a Rawr denim article about Gustin jeans, the comments from the owners of these jeans are their bashing of Japanese denim brands, plus reading more into Gustins marketing has made me really dislike this brand immensely.

                            Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

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                            • 4c4
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                              @Megatron1505:

                              Whilst researching something unrelated a Google search brought up a Rawr denim article about Gustin jeans, the comments from the owners of these jeans random internet idiots are their bashing of Japanese denim brands, plus reading more into Gustins marketing has made me really dislike this brand immensely.

                              This article?
                              http://www.rawrdenim.com/2013/01/gustin-hand-crafted-crowd-sourced-delivered-to-you-denim/

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                              • Megatron1505M
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                                No, this one.

                                http://www.rawrdenim.com/2014/04/denim-darwinism-love-cheap-raws/

                                And as the people all own Gustin, all use the same defence of attacking people wearing more expensive Japanese denim, and all obviously feel quite protective as they backed the crowd source I think that there is commonality to the group rather than randomness. I wouldn't call them idiots either, merely deluded if they really believe what they are saying.

                                Making the claim of "Redefining premium menswear, starting with denim", and making jeans which are "as good as any other", whilst rocking the always made in the USA" vibe hard is fine. However if it then seems that the jeans which are apparently "artisan quality" are made in sewing shops staffed by migrant workers earning minimum wage then it doesn't make them a a formidable rival to the established quality denim brands, it makes them American Apparel.

                                Their fans on these articles seem to want to ignore the differences between their jeans and the higher end jeans by blanket insults and claiming that the details enjoyed by others just don't matter. Well, they seem to matter enough for them to complain about them.

                                Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

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                                • ChrisC
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                                  Your first problem was reading Rawr Denim.  Your second problem was reading the comments.

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                                  • Megatron1505M
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                                    Yeh, actually I guess I don't really hate Gustin, I just find this kind of "support" from their wearers a form of pervasive arrogance which rubs me up the wrong way. Just as attacks without basis on brands like them piss me off too.

                                    Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

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                                    • winterlandW
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                                      @Megatron1505:

                                      Whilst researching something unrelated a Google search brought up a Rawr denim article about Gustin jeans, the comments from the owners of these jeans are their bashing of Japanese denim brands, plus reading more into Gustins marketing has made me really dislike this brand immensely.

                                      As a Gustin and Iron Heart owner I can appreciate both companies. I wouldn't read too much into comments left in an article. We know how those can go.
                                      Actually a lot of the comments seemed ok to me. Didn't see that much bashing. Some people just don't want to spend big bucks on clothes.
                                      From hanging out on the Gustin forum,  I find their customers range from knowledgeable denim people to newbies getting into selvage for the first time and looking for knowledge.
                                      Some of them could turn into Iron Heart customers too.
                                      Being I live in the USA I'm all for the buying in USA.

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                                      • Megatron1505M
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                                        good. keep busting 400$ on overpriced japanese jeans…. silly!!!!

                                        The above was the worst, but the vibe of the other posters spouting verbatim Gustin marketing rhetoric was uncomfortable to say the least.

                                        A made in the USA sweatshop is still a sweatshop.

                                        Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

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                                        • Megatron1505M
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                                          To expand on that last bit, I simply don't buy that their product can be all it claims to be for the price.

                                          How can it be "artisan quality" and "redefine premium menswear" for $81 simply by cutting out retail and advertising?

                                          I have some experience in manufacturing costs and what they promote does not sit well with what they claim.

                                          Basically, I'm not keen and that's my opinion  😉

                                          Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

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                                          • GilesG
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                                            I have said this before.  I could get jeans made in Los Angeles out of fabric and components I supply for USD12 - USD15 per pair.  That is sweat shop labour, probably by illegals. I could hand on heart claim it to be made in America, but so what?

                                            So my unpopular opinion is that not everything that is made in America is something Americans should be proud of and by the same token, not everything made in China is crap….

                                            "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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