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    • Finn666F
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      t.o.o.m.u.c.h.t.o.r.e.a.d.d.a.m.n.! 😠

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      • SeulS
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        @Megatron1505:

        ^ You expend far too much time and effort considering the minutiae of everything McL.

        Yeah and some of us aren't that big a fans of capitalism… We're €uropeans innit...

        waves his red flag and gets out of here

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        • J
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          This would be way too long to properly respond, but I have to disagree with the assertion that IH and Red Wing share any similarities besides a desire to control how their product is distributed. Most markets are rigged, completely and wholly. They are by design meant to ensure perpetual debt and many "products" are little more than monetization or collateral of said debt. RW pricing and their ability to stay competitive directly relates to how much debt as a company they can keep in perpetual motion. While IH may well have it's own debt footprint, limited runs, the manufacturing process, and several examples I've seen here as it relates to their business tell me that continuous debt cycles aren't part of the process.

          You may not see things like direct subsidies to companies like RW, but they are a great example of corporate debt and how it relates to fractional reserve banking when it comes to the boot game. Most of the interest from which is funneled to the consumer by both the banks and the companies themselves, often through twisted means.  If this isn't bad enough the whole ball of debt wax is loaned back to you by printing money at a negative and endlessly monetizing losses, either by inflation, taxation, or the latest bubble that swallows untold amounts of wealth.

          We often agree on a lot, but this is one area where I am going to have to disagree. Make no mistake, I can say clearly it's not always the fault of a business that they get sucked into the cycle. But please, let's stop referring to it as a open or free market, it's a system of debt slavery, turning the populace into little more than labor to constantly feed it.

          Bourbon: because living in Kentucky just makes you want to drink

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          • Megatron1505M
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            Next: whilst traditionally there is a belief that the Germans lack a sense of humour I think we're seeing the US of A make a grab for the crown here  😉

            Rafa, as a half kraut, half yank you are officially the worlds most humourless person  😛

            Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

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              I thought my sense of humor was fine, you need one not to go mad these days 😃

              Bourbon: because living in Kentucky just makes you want to drink

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              • SeulS
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                @Megatron1505:

                Rafa, as a half kraut, half yank you are officially the worlds most humourless person  😛

                😉

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                • Megatron1505M
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                  See now thats where I went wrong  😉

                  Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

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                  • mclaincauseyM
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                    @Megatron1505:

                    ^ You expend far too much time and effort considering the minutiae of everything McL.

                    Actually, I think I'm the one pushing the simplest theory here: Red Wing is popular because people like them, and because they are popular they can charge what the market will bear for their products. Occam would approve of this versus conspiracy theories about them cornering the market on boots and somehow rigging an entire industry.

                    Think it, be it.

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                    • J
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                      I think I may not have been clear enough, I'm not saying they have the whole boot game rigged, nor did I claim so. They do have everything to do with their product on lock though, as even the franchise's have to adhere to countless ways to "properly sell" RWs product. If you circumvent their method, they won't stand behind their product. Their business model is debt based though, as is the majority of every market. It's here where everything meets that my objections begin. RW is not a healthy functioning business, but most aren't anymore. Prosperity should never be measured by how far one can leverage the future. If my descriptors lacked accuracy, we wouldn't have a global banking system based on these precepts in control of trade and monetary systems. Corporate debt has become the greatest arm of passing this off to the populace, we even have an entire weekend once a year to make sure these debts get squared at our expense. It's not dirty players, it's a dirty game by design.

                      Bourbon: because living in Kentucky just makes you want to drink

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                      • summ3rhaysS
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                        @Megatron1505:

                        Case in point:

                        Whites Bounty Hunters made with a choice of Chromexcel, dress or oiled leather with a huge variety of sole and hardware configurations - £220 plus £50 shipping.

                        Red Wing Beckmans - £285

                        Why?

                        Is this a european thing?  Beckmans are $300 here and widely available.  I wouldn't pay more for Beckman's than Whites, but honestly I'd never even heard about Whites until I started on this forum.

                        IG: summ3rhays & Indigobleed

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                        • Megatron1505M
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                          It might even be specifically a UK thing.

                          Even so $300 for Beckmans or $380 to $400 for SD's ?

                          Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

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                          • mclaincauseyM
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                            Unpopular opinion: while I may not admire the product, I admire the company:

                            http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-12/red-wing-makes-made-in-usa-pay-plans-to-add-125-dealerships.html

                            Think it, be it.

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                            • Finn666F
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                              @Megatron1505:

                              Rafa, as a half kraut, half yank you are officially the worlds most humourless person  😛

                              😉 great one Gav(e)… 😉

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                              • 4c4
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                                @mclaincausey:

                                RW is going to be a gateway boot for a lot of White's, Wesco, Nick's, OSB, and Viberg owners, I am sure.

                                ^ Yes

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                                • natehateN
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                                  redwings bread and butter is still work boots
                                  these fashion boots is just a weekend hobby

                                  don't you know there ain't no devil? only god when he's drunk!

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                                    @4c:

                                    @mclaincausey:

                                    RW is going to be a gateway boot for a lot of White's, Wesco, Nick's, OSB, and Viberg owners, I am sure.

                                    ^ Yes

                                    I have to agree.  RW is my trashing around boots.  I tend to baby my Wescos (which I shouldn't be  :-[….)

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                                    • Megatron1505M
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                                      A gateway that is now the same price in some instances, and more expensive in others  😉

                                      Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

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                                      • mclaincauseyM
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                                        I wish heroin were as cheap as pot…

                                        Think it, be it.

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                                        • Megatron1505M
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                                          That makes no sense at all.

                                          Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

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                                          • SeulS
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                                            As a misanthropist, I can only agree  with McLain 😎

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