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    Fall/Winter 2026 - Collection Preview Now Live

    IHSB-EXT-NAT - Iron Heart x Simmons Bilt Natural Horsehide Type III Jacket

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    • chadstone30C
      chadstone30
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      @T4920 Do you know the difference between Blattwerk and the original leather? I wouldn't mind an education on the difference between them if you do know.

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      • T4920T
        T4920
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        @chadstone30 I'm no leather expert, but it looks a lot softer and more mailable. Also has a more prounced grain and appears to be a lighter colour when new.

        Check out the Pale Rider thread and compare earlier versions of the shirt with the one currently available.

        I think it was changed due to consistency issues with the old leather if I remember correctly.

        “𝑁𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑙𝑒𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑢𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑒 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑏 𝑦𝑜𝑢. 𝑌𝑜𝑢 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑚𝑒𝑒𝑡 𝑖𝑡, 𝑖𝑓 𝑦𝑜𝑢 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑡𝑜, 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑚𝑒 𝑤𝑒𝑎𝑝𝑜𝑛𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑠𝑜𝑛 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑐ℎ 𝑡𝑜𝑑𝑎𝑦 𝑎𝑟𝑚 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑡.”

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        • AdamJA
          AdamJ
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          @T4920 is correct in that the original Italian horsehide was not consistent enough, so the Blattwerk was the best alternative we had at the time (for the pale rider). We have since found another leather, which we'll release the details of when we're ready

          The devil is in the detail..

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          • MizmazzleM
            Mizmazzle
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            @AdamJ this is exciting news!

            In the easy chair with my boots on, melted whiskey in my hand. Could'na been asleep for more than three hours...time to go to work again...

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            • chadstone30C
              chadstone30
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              I think of this jacket often. I have so many jackets. But this jacket, this would be the last jacket.

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              • indigostiffI
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                @Larkens Is this the new or old leather? It's just lovely.

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                • LarkensL
                  Larkens
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                  @indigostiff the old leather. As far as I know.

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                  • AlexA
                    Alex
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                    @indigostiff The only ones that exist not in the 'old' leather are the two samples I am selling now

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                    • chadstone30C
                      chadstone30
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                      @Alex

                      What sizes are the samples, please? What's the price? Or have they already been claimed?

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                      • goosehdG
                        goosehd
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                        @chadstone30 see here: https://forum.ironheart.co.uk/topic/19521/fs-simmons-bilt-pale-riders-and-extractors/3

                        “our policy of no discussions regarding politics, religion, asparagus, and other controversial issues.” - Andrew

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                        • chadstone30C
                          chadstone30
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                          Both sold. Bummer. Thanks.

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                          • indigostiffI
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                            We've got a winner! I just love it - thank you @Alex! It's nice not to wrestle with the leather of such a heavy jacket (ie, the old pale rider), and the smell is DIVINE! More to come! No adjustments to the sleeves needed, either, since they'll ride up a bit with some wear. It fits bespoke!
                            IMG_9055.jpg

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                            • LarkensL
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                              @indigostiff looks good!!! Nice and clean!

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                              • dirtyframerD
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                                Any recommendations for a waterproofing agent or leave alone?

                                IG: mgm.woodworks & denim_n_boots

                                "Every day work harder on yourself than you do at work."

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                                • GilesG
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                                  Horses for courses (pun intended), but I would leave alone. Personally, I def would not use a waterproofing product, I would possibly use some form of natural oil - Mustang paste or the like.....

                                  "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                  • dirtyframerD
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                                    @Giles thanks, definitely dont want to mess this work of art with a bad product applied.

                                    IG: mgm.woodworks & denim_n_boots

                                    "Every day work harder on yourself than you do at work."

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                                    • GilesG
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                                      My personal view is that waterproofing is a fairly aggressive way of altering the nature of the leather. If your question was because you were worried about getting the leather wet, then no need to worry, it'll be fine.

                                      "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                      • dirtyframerD
                                        dirtyframer
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                                        @Giles is truly about getting it wet, im in the Pacific Northwest and it seems to rain 68.666% of the year....

                                        IG: mgm.woodworks & denim_n_boots

                                        "Every day work harder on yourself than you do at work."

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                                        • GilesG
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                                          Get some Mustang paste or Obenaufs (or similar) then. Anything you use will darken up the leather though, so just be aware of that....

                                          "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                          • Go For ChillG
                                            Go For Chill
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                                            I've worn my Pale Rider in the rain a few times. It's been soaked through more than once. No big deal. It's not meant to ever be a rain jacket, and we all dig patina, right?

                                            The above comment should be read with all the levity your current mental state will allow.

                                            "Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." -Thomas Edison

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