Coronavirus (Covid-19) Discussion
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I've been thinking about my shopping strategy recently. The two main options are
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Quick trips to the store every few days lasting under 15 minutes. You come in contact with more people but the viral load is small if someone in the store sick.
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Longer trips every week to 10 days lasting about 45 minutes. You come in contact with less people but the time spent in a potentially infection environment is longer.
In both cases, I would go to the store in the evening to minimize time spent in the checkout line.
So far, I've opted for strategy (1) because from what I've read viral load is an important factor in determining how sick you become. However, it seems that many people are choosing strategy (2) and that's what news outlets are recommending as well.
Does anyone have any opinions, information, or evidence to support either of these strategies?
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And there you go, as predicted in June, hard lockdown in tier 4 England. No Christmas visits. A no leaving home order is in place. What Joe public might not fully understand is that in domestic law in England in areas where it applies, you can be prosecuted for leaving your home without a good reason. WOW.
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I go weekly go visit my mum, the graveyard took it by a storm over 200 deaths due to covid..
A lot people I know in my town. ::)
Normally it would be 10 to 12 deaths a year.
This is completely madness.. :o ???
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This is certainly unusual. A ratio of 10-to-12 deaths a year going to 200 for COVID is unheard of. In the US, as a whole, we're getting to 300k COVID-related deaths, which is about a 10% increase in total annual deaths (very much a back of the envelope calculation).
In Perth, Covid is non-existent. 0 cases within the community since May and the freedom to live life as normal. Even in Singapore (another place I'm familiar with and usually frequent), the Covid death rate is less than 30 with cases of over 50k. It is almost impossible for me to understand the figures in other places or relate to what is going on.
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Thurrock, a Borough in South East England, has the highest rates in the UK. Its where my wife and I are from, and where our parents still live.
My wife has been on a call with the Health Minister today. That is unheard of. The UK haven't had a state of national emergency, with all the powers that brings with it, for decades.
I could rant on all day about the blatant disregard lots of people have for the guidance and law re covid. We went for a walk in a forest yesterday. The numbers of multiple household groups we observed was appalling.
I can't even describe the pressure we in the public sector are under, and the media can't even start to reflect it. We are stressed, exhausted, and just fucking exacerbated by the public's (in part), disregard for guidance.
Please, please, think about what you do and what the consequences might be.
Take care everyone.
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Not according to UK Govt guidelines….
What does tier 4 mean?
Under tier 4 restrictions, non-essential shops, hairdressers, and leisure and entertainment venues must close, with a new “stay at home” message introduced.People who need to travel for education or childcare are exempt, and exercise is unlimited. Where people cannot work from home, they will still be able to travel to work.
Under the measures, households are not allowed to mix, but one person is allowed to meet with one other person outside in a public space. Support bubbles and those meeting for childcare are exempt.
Those who are deemed clinically extremely vulnerable should not go to work and should limit time outside of their homes.
Tier 4 residents must not stay overnight away from home, and cannot travel abroad.
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All I'm saying is that gathering outdoors - as long as you stay 6ft away or wear a mask, etc - is perfectly fine. If the UK guidelines don't agree with that, then they are not in line with current science, and are probably undermining their own effectiveness by making unreasonable and ungrounded requests.
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No matter what science they bring out..
Do people follow the rules, they don’t
That why it a mess in the first place.
Take a look here how the world is now..https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
It gonna be a long ride… till it over..
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All I'm saying is that gathering outdoors - as long as you stay 6ft away or wear a mask, etc - is perfectly fine. If the UK guidelines don't agree with that, then they are not in line with current science, and are probably undermining their own effectiveness by making unreasonable and ungrounded requests.
They have completely got the “science” wrong with every move they have made throughout this whole fucked up year. I don’t believe anything they say anymore.
The damage that has been done to people’s mental health along with livelihoods is horrendous.
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I don't care whether the UK guidelines are in line with current science or not, they are published governmental guidelines and I will follow them, as a democracy we abrogate our ability to make some personal choices so that the people we elect can make difficult decisions on our behalf. If we think we know better, we should either offer ourselves up for election, so we can be involved in that decision-making process, but not decide to ignore what we are told to do because we think we know better.
Almost everyone I know can make a plausible argument about why the current rules should not apply to them. That path leads to anarchy and possibly why the UK is a Covid shit-storm. And, by Christ it is.
I have to travel from one tier 4 area to another about 150 miles away tomorrow because I have to attend a joint funeral for relatives who have died from Covid. I'm really not happy about the risk that this is putting to me and my family, and I would do almost anything not to go. I'm "allowed" under the current guidelines to do this, but from a sensible "let's try and contain this shit", it's a fucking stupid thing to do.
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I don’t think I know better. I just don’t trust them.
I have the feeling they have absolutely no idea what they are doing.
The impression “winging it” springs to mind
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@neph93 - This reminds me of the old trope of the case of the 60mph limited road where a drunk driver driving at 80mph killed a pedestrian. The city council's response is to immediately lower the speed limit to 50mph…
That metaphor doesn’t really work here as it relies on one outlier doing the damage. In the case of the current pandemic you have a large non-compliant minority in many countries (not least the U.K.), that continue to erode the effect of restrictions. If that is allowed to carry on the disease is going to spread and more restrictions will be inevitable in order to attempt to slow the spread and relieve pressure on hospitals. The alternative is to allow the non-compliant minority to continue to increase the R-number. Exponential infection will lead to collapses in the health provision.
The places where this disease has been successfully contained have done so by successfully integrating the science with effective public health policy, which has been clearly communicated and largely followed by a compliant populace.
