IHJ-79-BLK - Primaloft® Gold Quilted Riders Jacket - Black
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IHJ-79-BLK is my most worn IH piece. If I want a hood, I'll wear a hat or something with a hood.
Exactly. So: If you want to wear something with a hood, how about the IHJ-79 with a (hidden) hood?
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This is explicitly a riders jacket, the M65 is not. I don’t disagree that functionality would be increased for the casual wearer, but if you are going to design a jacket that should act as an insulating layer, under leathers, for a rider, this is it, and a hood is superfluous to that design.
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If it had a hidden hood it would not be my most worn piece. I don't need the shag and hassle and compromise. You want one, I don't.
Personally, I think the hidden hood in the M65 is a complete waste of time. Obviously, lots of people don't.
The thing is that we all want different stuff from our stuff. If we all wanted the same shit, life would be very boring….
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This is explicitly a riders jacket, the M65 is not. I don’t disagree that functionality would be increased for the casual wearer, but if you are going to design a jacket that should act as an insulating layer, under leathers, for a rider, this is it.
Fully agree with @neph93 on this point…for a motorcyclist, a collar made thicker by a rolled up hood will never be as comfortable under a full face helmet as a thin, windproof collar which slides easily under the helmet. The reason I say this is a dream ‘motorcycle inner layer. Haraki san absolutely nailed this one perfectly for the motorcycle riders!
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This is explicitly a riders jacket, the M65 is not. I don’t disagree that functionality would be increased for the casual wearer, but if you are going to design a jacket that should act as an insulating layer, under leathers, for a rider, this is it, and a hood is superfluous to that design.
The example I gave with the M-65 was to underline the fact that IH does not only make jackets for riders. This is evident, since jackets like the M65, if not for riders, are meant for casual wearers. Thus, this means that IH does indeed make jackets for casual wearers. If so, the IHJ-79 can be designed both for riders and for casual wearers only by adding a hidden hood. Win-Win.
Regarding the argument of a hood beeing superflous: I don't ride so I wouldn't know but let's assume that when you're riding you don't use the hood. But if you are not riding (since you wouldn't always be riding to everywhere at all times I assume) and it rains, the "superflous" hood could come in handy. And if it doesn't; tuck it back in.
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This is explicitly a riders jacket, the M65 is not. I don’t disagree that functionality would be increased for the casual wearer, but if you are going to design a jacket that should act as an insulating layer, under leathers, for a rider, this is it.
Fully agree with @neph93 on this point…for a motorcyclist, a collar made thicker by a rolled up hood will never be as comfortable under a full face helmet as a thin, windproof collar which slides easily under the helmet. The reason I say this is a dream ‘motorcycle inner layer. Haraki san absolutely nailed this one perfectly for the motorcycle riders!
I understand. I cannot argue against the thought that this jacket, as it is, is very useful to riders. I agree that nothing should be changed about the design if it is so. But it could be tweaked to have a hidden hood also for casual wearers and released as an alternative product, no?
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Regarding the argument of a hood beeing superflous: I don't ride so I wouldn't know but let's assume that when you're riding you don't use the hood. But if you are not riding (since you wouldn't always be riding to everywhere at all times I assume) and it rains, the "superflous" hood could come in handy. And if it doesn't; tuck it back in.
@motojobobo just explained the reason why a hood would be a bad idea for this jacket, from a riders perspective.
As a self proclaimed minimalist, you can understand purity of design from concept to execution, I’m sure. This is made as a riders jacket. Can non-riders wear one, of course. But there won’t be a hood.
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@motojobobo just explained the reason why a hood would be a bad idea for this jacket, from a riders perspective.
As a self proclaimed minimalist, you can understand purity of design from concept to execution, I’m sure. This is made as a riders jacket. Can non-riders wear one, of course. But there won’t be a hood.
Hadn't seen his comment when I commented to your reply. @motojobobo does raise a good point here that I, as a casual wearer, obviously wasn't aware of. As I replied to him, however, whilst changing nothing about the IHJ-79, there could be an alternative iteration model for casual wearers that does include such a hood.
Minimalism does not mean less functional. To me, not having to additionally carry an umbrella or a hat is minimalism
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Anyway, I was just suggesting this as an idea as it is something I wanted from this jacket and thought that it may benefit other casual wearers too. But I understand of course, as @Giles said, that everyone has different opinions - and that's good. I don't want to spam this thread any further, as I could've also posted this in the "What should we make" thread. I just thought it might make sense to mention it here.
Thanks for the discussion. Always nice to exchange ideas and opinions
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To be fair though you can have hoods built in fairly unobstructively; think M-65 where the hood is rolled into a similar stand-up collar to that on this garment, for instance. Or, I have a jacket with an optional hood that snaps on.
I'm not in the market for this piece but the idea could have merit.
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After seeing all of these comments I understand where Giles and Motojobobo are coming from. This is made as a riders jacket for riders. People who don't ride can wear it, but the designs that a non-rider would think it should have, just plain won't be there and never will be.
Iron Heart doesn't typically bring in many of them and from what I'm seeing in inventory, they ordered more for this season. I just asked my wife for one. Getting one will depend on how "wedding anniversary" gift this actually is.
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Yeah, they're definitely not wrong–but not all riders wear helmets either.
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@jordanscollected good luck with your “anniversary “ present
. I may try the same tactic as this jacket is very high on the want list. Problem for me is I have to wait until August for this to work. Also, have a Rab Equipment jacket that utilizes the same insulation and it is unbelievably warm, especially for the weight.
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@SKT I believe a lot of the IH outwear is true to size or size down. I am an XL in IH shirts, and I would take a large in this jacket and I have a large in my N1 vest. The best way to dig in, is to find the IHUK staff member closest to your size and compare what size they would wear
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@jordanscollected I am smack between a medium and large with this piece. I just need to decide if I want some room underneath for layers. I’ll be interested in how you find the large when you pull the trigger so update if you get the chance
