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    • LewisStonehouseL
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      Honestly my experience with spraying is that it adds nothing other than moisture, however I can't bring myself to just spray water. Lordy I love smokin' meats

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        Whenever I try something new,I just do one thing,and the first time I sprayed it made a distinctly positive difference. @LewisStonehouse You ever watch any of Aaron Franklin’s videos?

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        • LewisStonehouseL
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          Yeah well aware of Aaron Franklin, read the Franklin BBQ book several times and learned a great deal. Spraying definitely makes a difference, my experience has just been that what you spray it with doesn't make a great deal of difference because you're just avoiding the outside of the meat getting too overcooked and dry. I've never actually sprayed with water, but doubt it would be much different. There's just a mental block (me included) of spraying with something devoid of flavour, even though we know it doesn't add any flavour

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            I’ve also had some BBQ mental blocks,spraying being one of them and wrapping…AKA The Texas Crutch being the other. I’ve since starting doing both with much improved results. I don’t have a proper offset smoker,I cook with a PK360,which allows me to do 2 zone cooking. I spend the extra money,and go to a butcher,as opposed to buying supermarket meat,which I think, has helped me elevate my game as well.

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            • LewisStonehouseL
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              I cook with a kamado, and I've learned to not do x.y,z at whatever time, but to go by feel and by the temp. So I spray when it looks dry, I wrap (with pink butchers paper) when it stalls. I've never cooked anything disastrous. I have also found that getting quality meat makes a significant difference 🙂

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              • LewisStonehouseL
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                Thinking about it the hard bit of bbq has nothing to do with meat/seasoning/cooking, it's building/maintaining a fire that gives a consistent(ish) temp and clean smoke

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                  I subscribe to the exact same philosophy as well as “If you’re looking you’re not cooking” If you ever know that you’re going to be in NYC,you have to hit me up and we can get some BBQ together. I’ve never tried the Butcher  Paper,maybe next time.

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                  • LewisStonehouseL
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                    @Jett129 oh man, that sounds like an invite I'll have to take up - thank you. If I do it I'll try and make it work to stick a roll of pink butcher paper in the suitcase, but as you know space and weight limits for suitcases is tricky in our game

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                      No worries, my Butcher has offered it to me,just another one of those BBQ Mental Blocks. Do you have a favorite style/region  of BBQ? Mine is Kansas City,and then Texas.

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                      • LewisStonehouseL
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                        Texas as a starting point for me, but I quite often get experimental 🙂

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                        • zhivagoZ
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                          I like a mop (spray) mixture of apple cider vinegar and root beer. It's the ONLY place soda has entered my life in like the last 20 years or so…

                          Zhivago

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                          G: "Never once did he bitch, moan or complain.  He just motivated the team and got on with it"

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                          • scarfmaceS
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                            The spray don't spray is more a mental exercise in my opinion. Try doing one cut with spray and one cut without and see if it makes a difference on the same cook. The most important thing is the meat. If it has a lot of fat, it will stay moist.

                            Adding a bowl of water can help during long cooks because kettle bbq's tend to lose more air moisture because they have a higher airflow, on kamado's however I don't never bother.

                            When I give a basics course, I always say; keep it simple, stupid. Don't overdo because in the end, if it doesn't turn out the way you want it, you have no idea what you did wrong.

                            Learn to control you bbq temp, learn to season, and learn to let go and stop obsessing :).

                            If it turns out to dry, add water to the bbq. If it’s still dry, try wrapping. If its still try, maybe spray a little but I would never recommend it. Each time you open the lid to spray, you let all the moist air out and that has to build back up, using the same liquid you just added to the mix.

                            now about steak:

                            My perfect steak is a reverse sear. Seasoning is only fine kitchen salt to start, this helps create a bark. I start at 95 or so and let the steak sit indirect until I get the internal temp I want. It depends greatly on the type and cut of meat. usually, the more fat, the higher but I never go beyond 52°C :). Then I let it rest a long time (20min or more) in a thermal container, I don't ever do aluminum foil because it destroys the bark.

                            In the end I sear either over direct flame or in a skillet. I've used butter, oil, mayonnaise… the thing that works best is Wagyu beef fat 🙂

                            Also, people that inject steak with brine or applejuice or whatever, should be shot! 😃

                            "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

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                            • LewisStonehouseL
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                              @scarfmace:

                              now about steak:

                              My perfect steak is a reverse sear. Seasoning is only fine kitchen salt to start, this helps create a bark. I start at 95 or so and let the steak sit indirect until I get the internal temp I want. It depends greatly on the type and cut of meat. usually, the more fat, the higher but I never go beyond 52°C :). Then I let it rest a long time (20min or more) in a thermal container, I don't ever do aluminum foil because it destroys the bark.

                              In the end I sear either over direct flame or in a skillet. I've used butter, oil, mayonnaise… the thing that works best is Wagyu beef fat 🙂

                              Also, people that inject steak with brine or applejuice or whatever, should be shot! 😃

                              @scarfmace I cook steak using exactly the same method  🙂

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                              • scarfmaceS
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                                @LewisStonehouse:

                                I cook steak using exactly the same method  🙂

                                My man!  😃

                                "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

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                                • seawolfS
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                                  Gorgeous, @seawolf Looks absolutely perfect. Great bark, smoke ring, and the meat looks moist. What did you do?

                                  Thanks!

                                  @Jett129:

                                  What he said,absolutely BBQ Porn. Info please. I’ve been spraying a 50/50 mixture of apple juice and water on long cooks,like brisket or pork butt.

                                  Thank you so much!

                                  I used the method from the Frankln's BBQ book https://amzn.to/3cMqRfh which is a hot sauce slather, salt and pepper, and during the last few hours, a spritz of apple cider vinegar that I diluted by half with water. Cooked low and slow at about 235 for 8 hours over a mix of lump charcoal and oak chunks.

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                                  • seawolfS
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                                    @LewisStonehouse:

                                    Thinking about it the hard bit of bbq has nothing to do with meat/seasoning/cooking, it's building/maintaining a fire that gives a consistent(ish) temp and clean smoke

                                    This.

                                    “Good design is actually a lot harder to notice than poor design, in part because good designs fit our needs so well that the design is invisible” - Don Norman

                                    @zeebeeleather

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                                    • mclaincauseyM
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                                      Thanks @seawolf As a Mid-Southerner my focus with smoking has always been on pork (and to a lesser extent chicken, especially jerk over allspice wood, leaves, and berries), but I am eager to get into smoking beef.

                                      I like the hot sauce slather and the idea of spritzing without any sugar involved.

                                      A story about Aaron Franklin: some pitmaster friends of mine opened up a restaurant in Vancouver, WA (Portland suburb across the border) called The Smokin' Oak. They do Texas-style barbecue based on my friend Bryan's family recipes and have a craft cocktail program as well. In doing their research for the restaurant, they toured all the famous central TX pits. When they did Franklin, Aaron was on his way out but he greeted them warmly and told the pitmaster to tell them everything they needed to know. They incorporated some of Franklin's ideas into their smoker design, then added some additional hooks for smoking sausage links and shared that enhancement back with Aaron.

                                      Then, some months later, they randomly ran into him at the airport and caught up with each other (maybe ATX, not sure).

                                      I like how collegial Aaron was in helping them out. One day I would love to try his brisket but I'm not big on lines especially when there's not going to be a wait at numerous really good places within an hour of Austin (like Kreuz Market, where I went last time I was in the region).

                                      Think it, be it.

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                                      • LewisStonehouseL
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                                        Little rack of ribs for dinner

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                                          Red Snapper. Olive oil, salt, pepper and lemon. Corn was soaked in water for a few hours before going on the grill.

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                                          • scarfmaceS
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                                            I had some friend comming over last weekend and made a typical Turkish Chicken Durum on a spit.

                                            5kg of chicken thighs slowly rotating, never had a more crisp bark and soft centre then this. I wish I took some pictures when it was done but as usual, I'm too bussy with cooking  🙂

                                            "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

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