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    What do you consider "raw" denim to mean?

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    • Matty123M
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      There should be. It’s like top grain leather is top grain leather. Raw denim should mean one thing.

      Maybe so. Maybe not

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      • DionD
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        @Giles:

        I think I will try and go 16 or 18.  The easiest route is to use the vintage 16 and/or 18 and not sanforise or wash) it…..

        I was hoping for something in the range of 20+ oz to start with but it will be much more difficult to keep it unsanforized and stable, I guess.

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        • neph93N
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          @Matty123:

          Is there an industry standard?

          No. Which is partially why I started this thread to see if there was a consensus on this forum. It seems there is. This makes me happy.

          «Stevie Heighway on the wing!
          We had dreams, and songs to sing…»

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          • madmondayM
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            @Matty123 "raw denim" does mean one thing to people who are ingrained in and speak the language (at least on this forum).

            to the casual shopper the term raw denim tends to be what ever the manufacture is peddling that day to grab the customer.

            look at it like eggs, you got a raw egg, you got the 1 minute egg that is super runny, 3 minute egg little less runny, hard boiled egg, etc.

            they all eggs but you know

            off topic but I always am

            again great topic @neph93  as there is a super easy and clear answer to the initial question but it can branch off into so many other things based on each persons experience

            head high, middle finger higher

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            • UnTuckedU
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              This is why I wear workpants… no confusion, lol

              In search of:
              IHV-04, med.
              IHSH-185, large
              IHSH-186, large (khaki, and green)

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              • madmondayM
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                @neph93:

                my point was that great denim doesn’t have to be raw to be excellent

                good point but not easy to put into a quick sound bite to get consumers to spend their money by the old guard selling fast fashion to consumers and are just trying to turn a profit

                as consumers become more educated and the rise of conscious consumerism with brands like Patagonia i think it will change, slowly, but change none the less

                what is also funny is that every one has a voice, which is a good thing, but you get a lot of misinformed people making arguments that do not hold water.

                you would not argue about the color or fruit orange, since it is a universal fact it should be the same with the term  raw denim, but you know

                I mentioned oranges and eggs, I am hungry time to get some grub

                head high, middle finger higher

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                • Matty123M
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                  @madmonday:

                  @Matty123 "raw denim" does mean one thing to people who are ingrained in and speak the language (at least on this forum).

                  to the casual shopper the term raw denim tends to be what ever the manufacture is peddling that day to grab the customer.

                  look at it like eggs, you got a raw egg, you got the 1 minute egg that is super runny, 3 minute egg little less runny, hard boiled egg, etc.

                  they all eggs but you know

                  Yeah that’s true. Thanks Monday

                  But for me my egg? First I break the egg on to a fine mesh screen and get all the watery clear whites gone.
                  Then 185F water for 4 minutes. Gently stiring so it doesn’t stick to the bottom. Take that shit out and bam! Perfect.  Poached 185f egg

                  Maybe so. Maybe not

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                  • gaseousclayG
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                    Most people don't like the unpredictable nature of loomstate, therefore underrated IMO.

                    I'm in the camp of people who dislike the unpredictable nature of loomstate. I like the guesswork being taken out of having to figure out sizing/shrinkage, especially if you're dropping big $.

                    WTB:
                    IHSH-129 size L (blue)
                    IHSH-19

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                    • UnTuckedU
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                      Ditto…
                      Never owned a pair, and likely never will.....

                      Closest I've gotten is my Oni "Secret denim" (unsanforized)...

                      Shockingly enough, "the guy who throws all clothes in the washer and dryer all willy nilly" is extremely apprehensive about washing these jeans using ANY methods. They will likely stay truly raw (And eventually, ripe) forever.

                      In search of:
                      IHV-04, med.
                      IHSH-185, large
                      IHSH-186, large (khaki, and green)

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                      • Matty123M
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                        @UnTucked:

                        Ditto…
                        Never owned a pair, and likely never will.....

                        Closest I've gotten is my Oni "Secret denim" (unsanforized)...

                        Shockingly enough, "the guy who throws all clothes in the washer and dryer all willy nilly" is extremely apprehensive about washing these jeans using ANY methods. They will likely stay truly raw (And eventually, ripe) forever.

                        Et tu Bruté?

                        Maybe so. Maybe not

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                        • UnTuckedU
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                          I have a thing for slubby, irregular denim….. Sorry! lol

                          In search of:
                          IHV-04, med.
                          IHSH-185, large
                          IHSH-186, large (khaki, and green)

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                          • neph93N
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                            @gaseousclay:

                            I'm in the camp of people who dislike the unpredictable nature of loomstate.

                            How do you feel about the terminology? Raw=loomstate?

                            «Stevie Heighway on the wing!
                            We had dreams, and songs to sing…»

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                            • manufc10M
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                              @neph93:

                              @madmonday:

                              you use a lot of words neph, what you mean about 21oz denim?

                              It was a pre bedtime post, and I have a rule, “Why use one word when you can use 259?”

                              It’s edited for clarity now but my point was that great denim doesn’t have to be raw to be excellent, unique etc and the 21oz is a good example of that. It was tonnes of character despite it’s smooth even face, heavy sanforisation and fade retardant treatment. Hell, the SB denim isn’t even selvedge and doesn’t fade and is still more interesting than some Cone Mills denim I’ve owned.

                              I agree 100%.

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                              • Matty123M
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                                @UnTucked:

                                I have a thing for slubby, irregular denim….. Sorry! lol

                                U find loomstate to be less slubby and irregular? Don’t be sorry.

                                Maybe so. Maybe not

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                                • UnTuckedU
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                                  @Matty123:

                                  @UnTucked:

                                  I have a thing for slubby, irregular denim….. Sorry! lol

                                  U find loomstate to be less slubby and irregular? Don’t be sorry.

                                  I haven't handled any loomstate denim, actually. I was just referring to my love of PBJ….

                                  In search of:
                                  IHV-04, med.
                                  IHSH-185, large
                                  IHSH-186, large (khaki, and green)

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                                  • gaseousclayG
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                                    @neph93:

                                    @gaseousclay:

                                    I'm in the camp of people who dislike the unpredictable nature of loomstate.

                                    How do you feel about the terminology? Raw=loomstate?

                                    I think the terminology is accurate

                                    WTB:
                                    IHSH-129 size L (blue)
                                    IHSH-19

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                                    • Matty123M
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                                      Oh ok

                                      Maybe so. Maybe not

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                                      • Ponyboy312P
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                                        Please make it raw with ample thighs for us 634 guys.  😛  But not with the 16 cause I already have that one.  😃 I really fucked up not getting that yenim in 34 when I had the chance didn’t I? 😢

                                        colonelclegg: if you threw up on them just wash them dude, especially if your not sure if its your puke…......

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                                        • piranhaP
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                                          Raw=hasn't touched water.

                                          Instagram: djdonniepiranhie

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                                          • Matty123M
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                                            Heddels disagrees https://www.heddels.com/2018/01/one-wash-denim-still-raw/

                                            This was posted on Jan 10th

                                            Maybe so. Maybe not

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