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    • MattM
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      My kids don’t sleep well.

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      • mclaincauseyM
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        LOL Matt

        Yeah, he was a pretty virulent racist, and if we're being honest, some of the nuances of his fiction stems from his darker impulses, including racism and xenophobia. But when applied to alien beings in a work of fiction, I think this is harmless:  e.g., when you read The Shadow Over Innsmouth, you don't necessarily understand the perspective it's coming from, but the feelings he describes there do reflect his own xenophobia–it's just not overtly aimed at real human beings, cultures, or races in the fiction.

        For example, he spent some time in Brooklyn, and he was so freaked out by immigrants there that this informed some of his characterizations of slightly abnormal populations associated with some of his eldritch creatures in his fiction. So, Matt's right: don't read his letters about his experience in Brooklyn, you'll get similar characterizations reading about, for example, the people of Innsmouth.

        Think it, be it.

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        • ARNCA
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          Thanks @mclaincausey and @Matt. I’ll have to check this out (the fiction not the other stuff).

          “Every day that you survive you get a free sunset“

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          • MattM
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            You’ll like it, I’m sure.  Like @mclaincausey said no one has really made any noteworthy translations into other media formats like TV or movies but Lovecraft Country on HBO is definitely worth a watch after you have read some of his stories.  It’s especially interesting and purposefully ironic to see how they create such a powerful vision of racism in the Jim Crowe era using the themes of HPL’s supernatural works juxtaposed to the monstrosity of the prevailing interracial relationships at the time.

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            • mclaincauseyM
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              For me, easily the scariest part of Lovecraft Country was the racism. I will leave it at that so I don't spoil anything, but they wrought that very real threat in a way that made the otherworldly threats in the series pale by comparison.

              Think it, be it.

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              • steelworkerS
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                The Ballad of Black Tom is a Lovecraftian book that  deals with HPL's racism in the course of a damn good horror story

                Those are my principles, and if you don't like them…
                Well, I have others.

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                • ARNCA
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                  Well, I started The Shadow Over Innsmouth and felt compelled to finish it although I should probably be asleep by now. I’m not sure I’m tuned in to his prose style but an interesting read and I can definitely see the other stuff coming through.

                  The introduction on this thread reminded me of this. Many obvious differences, not least in style, but some overlap in sensibilities perhaps.
                  https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Chronicles_of_Clovis/The_Music_on_the_Hill

                  “Every day that you survive you get a free sunset“

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                  • MattM
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                    @mclaincausey:

                    For me, easily the scariest part of Lovecraft Country was the racism. I will leave it at that so I don't spoil anything, but they wrought that very real threat in a way that made the otherworldly threats in the series pale by comparison.

                    Agreed.

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                    • JDelageJ
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                      If you like Lovecraft & the mythos, I have 2 recommendations:

                      1. The "Laundry Files" series of books by Charles Stross. Make sure you follow the order because the first ones are the best ones. He's an excellent writer of urban fantasy / horror, and this series draws on Lovecraft. Interestingly, where Lovecraft was a proto fascist, Stross is a committed leftist. His writing is excellent.

                      2. The Alan Moore visual novels "Neonomicon" and "Providence" are superb (the first better than the second IMHO). Viewer discretion is advised, because both books are fairly disturbing.

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                      • mclaincauseyM
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                        I am hip to #2, but have not yet delved into them. Thanks for the recs @JDelage –I have heard of Stross but will check him out!

                        Think it, be it.

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                        • steelworkerS
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                          if you like Lovecraft Algernon Blackwood and Arthur Machen are good too they had an influence on HPLs work.
                          Blackwoods story The Willows is especially good at conveying the existential dread you're talking about.

                          Those are my principles, and if you don't like them…
                          Well, I have others.

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                          • mclaincauseyM
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                            Good call–also Robert W. Chambers' The King in Yellow.

                            I think Victorians were trying to get their heads around some of the emerging discoveries of the day and their stories have stood the test of time.

                            Think it, be it.

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                              If you like music and books …

                              33.3

                              Not the best issue, but the only one I could get my hands on so far.

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                              • endoE
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                                This book has been mentioned by @Aetas repeatedly, and it's a very good read indeed!
                                [original titel in dutch: 'Het Woeden der Gehele Wereld']

                                si tacuisses

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                                • AetasA
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                                  Hi @endo ,

                                  pleased to now you are over 2000m and enjoy one of my favorit books.
                                  Hope you are doing well.

                                  We would love to host you on your trip back home!

                                  Cheers mate and please PM

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                                  • DmartD
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                                    What’s it’s about?
                                    Love the Knorrhütte coaster  😃

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                                    • endoE
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                                      I'd say it's a coming-of-age story in the Netherlands of the 50s - with lots of references to classical music, the occupation under the Nazis, and a crime plot that's surprisingly intricate. It's a very pleasant read.

                                      But I'm certainly not an expert, just enjoyed it a lot.

                                      si tacuisses

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                                      • DmartD
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                                        Sounds like something I could take with me to Tuscany on vacation.

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                                          Talking of The Dutch, I'm reading this and it is an uncomfortable read in places…...

                                          "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                          • hajdukH
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                                            One fav writer between many…
                                            David Peace.
                                            And hey! 44 days!
                                            Liz gives up after 44 days of…[emoji15]
                                            Strange similarity to the adventures of Brian Clough in Leeds United![emoji110]

                                            Envoyé de mon iPhone en utilisant Tapatalk

                                            "Ignorance, allied with power, is the most ferocious enemy justice can have" James Baldwin.

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