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    • scooterS
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      @Tago-Mago said in Music:

      Heaven and Hell is the Best Black Sabbath album, no discussion

      This belongs in unpop ops. A Black Sabbath album without Ozzy is not truly a Black Sabbath album...

      Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

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      • scooterS
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        Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

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        • GraemeEG
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          @scooter said in Music:

          A Black Sabbath album without Ozzy is not truly a Black Sabbath album...

          That's not an opinion
          That's just a fact

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            In my opinion the first 2 Black Sabbath albums are up there with several other band’s first 2 albums…Hendrix,Cream,The Doors,Led Zeppelin,of that time period.

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            • Tago MagoT
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              @scooter I stand by everything I wrote. The first 5 albums are great, Heaven and Hell is just better

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              • MattM
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                Do you also think Sammy Hagar Van Halen is better than DLR?

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                • SKTS
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                  I think we can all agree that Gary Cherone era Van Halen is the best.

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                  • MattM
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                    😒

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                    • SKTS
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                      I saw Van Halen’s maiden “Hagar” voyage when I was 15 at the Tarrant County Convention Center in Ft. Worth, TX. We had one buddy who could drive and his car broke down on I-30 trying to get to the show. We somehow made it to the concert and the only other memory I have of the show was Sammy climbing around on overhead scaffolding. That was “commercial” era VH

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                        @Matt said in Music:

                        Do you also think Sammy Hagar Van Halen is better than DLR?

                        That’s a really good point of reference type question. When I saw Black Sabbath,I was aware of the other musicians,but if they replaced one of them it wouldn’t have dissuaded me from liking the band. If you replace Ozzy,then all of a sudden it’s not what I signed up for. In terms of VH,I thought as long as Eddie was playing guitar it wouldn’t matter who was singing. I couldn’t have been more wrong. Different vibe with Hagar,no where near as much fun. Dave was just a flat out better front man,and I feel that to some degree his intense energy was contagious with the rest of the band as well as the audience. I know you weren’t asking me but you got me thinking.

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                        • Tago MagoT
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                          @Matt I don’t have strong opinions on Van Halen. I do think that Pantera minus Dimebag and Vinnie Paul should not exist. Same goes for Queen minus Freddie Mercury. AC/DC are great in either iteration. As far as I’m concerned they never had another singer

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                          • MattM
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                            @Jett129 I’m glad you chimed in because you nailed it.

                            Furthermore, it was just last night I was reading about Wolfgang not playing the final Ozzy show because his “other” band was playing. WTF firstly, second, who’s going to see Van Halen w/o EVH. I mean if Sammy Hagar is Van Halen Lite then no Eddie is basically a cover band.

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                            • MattM
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                              @Tago-Mago agreed on AC/DC. They’re both classic bands in each of their own ways.

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                              • goosehdG
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                                @Matt …the other band was “Creed”… 😞

                                That’s one that you look back on and ask yourself what the hell was I thinking.

                                "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                                • Tago MagoT
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                                  One band I can’t imagine in a different lineup is Rush, which is ironic since Neil Peart only joined for their second album

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                                  • MattM
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                                    @goosehd that’s what it was… how the hell do you play on tour with Ozzy one night and Creed the next? Talk about hedging your bets.

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                                    • scooterS
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                                      Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

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                                      • anodyneA
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                                        I just want to say this JTE release is worth a listen imo:

                                        Power is not to be dropped from a plane - Gregory Corso

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                                        • SKTS
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                                          @Matt cant remember where you posted that new Lemonheads song but I’ve been digging it and just realized Juliana Hatfield and J. Mascis are on it. Very cool

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                                          • goosehdG
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                                            @SKT https://forum.ironheart.co.uk//post/898825

                                            "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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