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    T4920
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    @WhiskeySandwich
    Joined: 27 Apr 2022

    @WhiskeySandwich I find your signature equally poignant!

    Mad how former emperors of Rome, and dump truck graffiti scrawlers can touch a man's soul in similar ways...

    “𝑁𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑙𝑒𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑢𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑒 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑏 𝑦𝑜𝑢. 𝑌𝑜𝑢 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑚𝑒𝑒𝑡 𝑖𝑡, 𝑖𝑓 𝑦𝑜𝑢 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑡𝑜, 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑚𝑒 𝑤𝑒𝑎𝑝𝑜𝑛𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑠𝑜𝑛 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑐ℎ 𝑡𝑜𝑑𝑎𝑦 𝑎𝑟𝑚 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑡.”

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      EdH
      Iron Heart Deity
      @popvulture
      Joined: 2 Jan 2022

      @popvulture said in Artificial Intelligence:

      I’ve been subscribing to the mindset that it’ll be less of a job replacer and more of a job augmenter/assistant in the future. There are all kinds of things that stuff like Midjourney, Stable Diffusion, etc already do to make my life a shitload easier.

      This. I (a lawyer) have been dabbling with AI for the last few weeks, and so far it's really good at some things, and then hits a wall.

      For instance, if an interesting case gets a judgment, I can ask it to summarise the case, and it will do a very decent job. If I ask it to weigh the impact of that case in the broader corpus of caselaw in that area, it throws a wobbly. So far, at least, it looks like it will help us with understanding an area of law, but won't replace the ability to think creatively about how to apply that law to our clients' issues.

      As a general point, I find there is an art to crafting a good prompt too. If I just say "summarise case [X]" then it does a passable but not too impressive job. But if I say "summarise the legal arguments, judicial reasoning, and broader implications of case [X]" then it is much more impressive. You basically need to treat it like an intelligent ignoramus: capable of doing a lot but unaware of any context. So if you tell it (i) what you want; (ii) why you want it; (iii) what you expect it's answer to include; and (iv) how you want it presented, it does a lot more for you than otherwise.

      The scary thing is that this tech is as bad as its ever going to be right now. That chap from one of these AI companies had serious egg on his face just a couple of weeks ago when he said that he didn't think an AI would ever be able to generate video, and then OpenAI announced Sora literally the next day. I've been trying to write a Powerpoint to educate my colleagues about all this stuff and how to use it, and it's been a really hard project to complete because there's constant development and news in this field and I have to keep updating the damned thing!

      Take the dive...

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        the246guy
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        Joined: 8 May 2016

        Yep, post ChatGPT advancements in this field is measured in days unlike in decades it was before.

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          WhiskeySandwich
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          @EdH
          Joined: 1 Mar 2023

          @EdH “ You basically need to treat it like an intelligent ignoramus: capable of doing a lot but unaware of any context.” This bit for sure. It’s smart as hell and can do the task, but you have to be very clear in defining the task. If you want a specific answer, ask a specific question.

          "The greatest obstacle to living is expectancy, which hangs upon tomorrow and loses today...The whole future lies in uncertainty: Live immediately."
          -Seneca

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            EdH
            Iron Heart Deity
            @WhiskeySandwich
            Joined: 2 Jan 2022

            @WhiskeySandwich said in Artificial Intelligence:

            If you want a specific answer, ask a specific question.

            To which I'd add, "and direct it to the resource". I've had a few examples of it referencing older law - presumably because there will be more written about old law - which has been superseded. But when I've specifically told it "make sure you refer to this" and then given it a link or copy-pasted the updated legislation into the chat box, it has been able to incorporate that into its response.

            Take the dive...

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              goosehd
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              @EdH
              Joined: 8 Apr 2016

              @EdH said in Artificial Intelligence:

              So if you tell it (i) what you want; (ii) why you want it; (iii) what you expect it's answer to include; and (iv) how you want it presented, it does a lot more for you than otherwise.

              I find that a tad scary in that your request predisposes the answer and effectively reinforces any preconceived notions you may have had in asking the question in the first place.

              In science we are taught to avoid bias in the question at all costs. While the bias is still inevitable, the following steps (research, hypothesis, experiment, data analysis) help minimize the bias in the conclusion.

              Does the scientific method or a similar construct exist in law?

              "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                goosehd
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                I may have answered my own question in that law looks for examples to reinforce your arguments and by asking AI those specific questions, you get exactly what you are looking for.

                "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                  WhiskeySandwich
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                  @EdH
                  Joined: 1 Mar 2023

                  @EdH yeah that could definitely be tricky. I find search engines doing that in general and it’s very frustrating. Especially if it finds false or speculative information, or opinions even, but it presents them as results all the same. There’s just so much junk data out there…. You have to wade thought an ocean of bs just to get a little nugget of truth or fact.

                  "The greatest obstacle to living is expectancy, which hangs upon tomorrow and loses today...The whole future lies in uncertainty: Live immediately."
                  -Seneca

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                    WhiskeySandwich
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                    @goosehd
                    Joined: 1 Mar 2023

                    @goosehd yes, in a way, it’s just telling you what you want to hear. Lol

                    "The greatest obstacle to living is expectancy, which hangs upon tomorrow and loses today...The whole future lies in uncertainty: Live immediately."
                    -Seneca

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                      EdH
                      Iron Heart Deity
                      @goosehd
                      Joined: 2 Jan 2022

                      @goosehd I think I'm not making myself clear enough, maybe.

                      By "what you want" I mean what task you want it to do. So "summarise this case" or "draft me a couple of paragraphs summarising [law bit]". I personally wouldn't ask it for "give me cases that support argument X" at this stage. Doing so has landed lawyers in hot water because the AI models are not search engines and it leads to some models hallucinating cases that don't exist. (But I know that there are models under development in law that would be able to answer that query.) At the end of the day, one key piece of advice when using these models is to check everything before anything goes out.

                      Generally, yeah, I do find law to be a bit analogous to science:
                      research = research your client's facts and the relevant law
                      hypothesis = predict the outcome by applying the law to your client's factual matrix
                      experiment = take the case to court and see what happens

                      I wouldn't say that a good lawyer is only concerned with getting "exactly what they are looking for" though. It may appear that way to the outside world, but a good lawyer should be advising their client honestly on the legal strengths and weaknesses of their position. Those conversations are privileged, of course, so don't get seen by the outside world. And a client in a legally weak position may have other options open to them, like settling the case early (if a dispute) or using other means to improve their bargaining position. I tell my clients things they don't want to hear all the time, but that very rarely means they have no options or agency in the situation at all.

                      Take the dive...

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                        louisbosco
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                        Joined: 21 Feb 2013

                        this would be equivalent to self driving cars. who's liable?

                        1. the self driving AI would not be legally liable
                        2. the person that owns the car could be absolved of liabilities because he/she would technically not be in control

                        not taking into account, causation and chain of effect.

                        "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

                        • Harvey Specter
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                          goosehd
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                          @EdH
                          Joined: 8 Apr 2016

                          @EdH Thank you for your detailed response!!

                          Further question: You typically build an argument based upon existing laws and precedents and I can see you using AI to strengthen your argument, but could you also use it as a tool to poke holes in your argument and give you perspectives that you weren't anticipating.

                          I could see that as quite useful to prepare you and your client in any case that you were examining and to save you time and the client's money in those arguments.

                          "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                            T4920
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                            Joined: 27 Apr 2022

                            New Open AI x Figure demo.

                            They've also confirmed that no parts of the videos are edited/sped up, and that all responses are generated in real time, with no pre-programming.

                            What gets me though, is the human-like vocal quirks! The uhms, and ahhs really anthropomorphise the machine in my mind...

                            “𝑁𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑙𝑒𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑢𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑒 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑏 𝑦𝑜𝑢. 𝑌𝑜𝑢 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑚𝑒𝑒𝑡 𝑖𝑡, 𝑖𝑓 𝑦𝑜𝑢 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑡𝑜, 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑚𝑒 𝑤𝑒𝑎𝑝𝑜𝑛𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑠𝑜𝑛 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑐ℎ 𝑡𝑜𝑑𝑎𝑦 𝑎𝑟𝑚 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑡.”

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                              mclaincausey
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                              My wife just received the latest upgrade of her artificial unintelligence at the salon

                              Think it, be it.

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                                EdH
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                                @goosehd
                                Joined: 2 Jan 2022

                                @goosehd said in Artificial Intelligence:

                                could you also use it as a tool to poke holes in your argument and give you perspectives that you weren't anticipating

                                I have heard that an LLM called HarveyAI can do something like this. I've registered my interest in that product, but I doubt I'll hear back. It seems from their marketing that they want their customer base to be reserved for the very upper-echelons of our industry. I doubt they'd be interested in firms outside London.

                                Take the dive...

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                                  EdH
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                                  @T4920
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                                  @T4920 Ok, that's really cool, but also kind of freaking me out.

                                  It's the drudgery of the tasks it was set, I think. I'm having flashbacks to the existential ennui experienced by the butter passing robot in Rick and Morty.

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                                  Take the dive...

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                                    weftyarn
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                                    the new Figure Demo literally made me lose some Muesli as my jaw dropped watching it this morning @T4920

                                    How it pushed the trash container further in the sense of „uh wait, this wasn’t far enough, he‘ll have a hard time reaching it“

                                    Use it or lose it.

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                                      mairuzu
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                                      @T4920

                                      The Figure One demo is very impressive, but I’d be interested to see how it copes with a less controlled/sanitised environment. The Figure videos are noticeably different compared to the Boston Dynamics videos (for example). The Boston Dynamics robotics demos are great because they show the robots failing and being interfered with by the outside world (I vaguely remember a video showing their Atlas robot being beaten with a hockey stick while it tried to pick up a box).

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                                        EdH
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                                        Take the dive...

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                                          WhiskeySandwich
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                                          @EdH
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                                          @EdH ROFL OMG that had me rolling. NAILED IT

                                          "The greatest obstacle to living is expectancy, which hangs upon tomorrow and loses today...The whole future lies in uncertainty: Live immediately."
                                          -Seneca

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