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    • goosehdG
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      @EdH said in Artificial Intelligence:

      So if you tell it (i) what you want; (ii) why you want it; (iii) what you expect it's answer to include; and (iv) how you want it presented, it does a lot more for you than otherwise.

      I find that a tad scary in that your request predisposes the answer and effectively reinforces any preconceived notions you may have had in asking the question in the first place.

      In science we are taught to avoid bias in the question at all costs. While the bias is still inevitable, the following steps (research, hypothesis, experiment, data analysis) help minimize the bias in the conclusion.

      Does the scientific method or a similar construct exist in law?

      "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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      • goosehdG
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        I may have answered my own question in that law looks for examples to reinforce your arguments and by asking AI those specific questions, you get exactly what you are looking for.

        "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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        • WhiskeySandwichW
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          @EdH yeah that could definitely be tricky. I find search engines doing that in general and it’s very frustrating. Especially if it finds false or speculative information, or opinions even, but it presents them as results all the same. There’s just so much junk data out there…. You have to wade thought an ocean of bs just to get a little nugget of truth or fact.

          "The greatest obstacle to living is expectancy, which hangs upon tomorrow and loses today...The whole future lies in uncertainty: Live immediately."
          -Seneca

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          • WhiskeySandwichW
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            @goosehd yes, in a way, it’s just telling you what you want to hear. Lol

            "The greatest obstacle to living is expectancy, which hangs upon tomorrow and loses today...The whole future lies in uncertainty: Live immediately."
            -Seneca

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            • EdHE
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              @goosehd I think I'm not making myself clear enough, maybe.

              By "what you want" I mean what task you want it to do. So "summarise this case" or "draft me a couple of paragraphs summarising [law bit]". I personally wouldn't ask it for "give me cases that support argument X" at this stage. Doing so has landed lawyers in hot water because the AI models are not search engines and it leads to some models hallucinating cases that don't exist. (But I know that there are models under development in law that would be able to answer that query.) At the end of the day, one key piece of advice when using these models is to check everything before anything goes out.

              Generally, yeah, I do find law to be a bit analogous to science:
              research = research your client's facts and the relevant law
              hypothesis = predict the outcome by applying the law to your client's factual matrix
              experiment = take the case to court and see what happens

              I wouldn't say that a good lawyer is only concerned with getting "exactly what they are looking for" though. It may appear that way to the outside world, but a good lawyer should be advising their client honestly on the legal strengths and weaknesses of their position. Those conversations are privileged, of course, so don't get seen by the outside world. And a client in a legally weak position may have other options open to them, like settling the case early (if a dispute) or using other means to improve their bargaining position. I tell my clients things they don't want to hear all the time, but that very rarely means they have no options or agency in the situation at all.

              Take the dive...

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              • louisboscoL
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                this would be equivalent to self driving cars. who's liable?

                1. the self driving AI would not be legally liable
                2. the person that owns the car could be absolved of liabilities because he/she would technically not be in control

                not taking into account, causation and chain of effect.

                "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

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                • goosehdG
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                  @EdH Thank you for your detailed response!!

                  Further question: You typically build an argument based upon existing laws and precedents and I can see you using AI to strengthen your argument, but could you also use it as a tool to poke holes in your argument and give you perspectives that you weren't anticipating.

                  I could see that as quite useful to prepare you and your client in any case that you were examining and to save you time and the client's money in those arguments.

                  "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                  • T4920T
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                    New Open AI x Figure demo.

                    They've also confirmed that no parts of the videos are edited/sped up, and that all responses are generated in real time, with no pre-programming.

                    What gets me though, is the human-like vocal quirks! The uhms, and ahhs really anthropomorphise the machine in my mind...

                    “𝑁𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑙𝑒𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑢𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑒 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑏 𝑦𝑜𝑢. 𝑌𝑜𝑢 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑚𝑒𝑒𝑡 𝑖𝑡, 𝑖𝑓 𝑦𝑜𝑢 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑡𝑜, 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑚𝑒 𝑤𝑒𝑎𝑝𝑜𝑛𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑠𝑜𝑛 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑐ℎ 𝑡𝑜𝑑𝑎𝑦 𝑎𝑟𝑚 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑡.”

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                    • mclaincauseyM
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                      My wife just received the latest upgrade of her artificial unintelligence at the salon

                      Think it, be it.

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                      • EdHE
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                        @goosehd said in Artificial Intelligence:

                        could you also use it as a tool to poke holes in your argument and give you perspectives that you weren't anticipating

                        I have heard that an LLM called HarveyAI can do something like this. I've registered my interest in that product, but I doubt I'll hear back. It seems from their marketing that they want their customer base to be reserved for the very upper-echelons of our industry. I doubt they'd be interested in firms outside London.

                        Take the dive...

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                        • EdHE
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                          @T4920 Ok, that's really cool, but also kind of freaking me out.

                          It's the drudgery of the tasks it was set, I think. I'm having flashbacks to the existential ennui experienced by the butter passing robot in Rick and Morty.

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                          Take the dive...

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                          • weftyarnW
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                            the new Figure Demo literally made me lose some Muesli as my jaw dropped watching it this morning @T4920

                            How it pushed the trash container further in the sense of „uh wait, this wasn’t far enough, he‘ll have a hard time reaching it“

                            Use it or lose it.

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                              The Figure One demo is very impressive, but I’d be interested to see how it copes with a less controlled/sanitised environment. The Figure videos are noticeably different compared to the Boston Dynamics videos (for example). The Boston Dynamics robotics demos are great because they show the robots failing and being interfered with by the outside world (I vaguely remember a video showing their Atlas robot being beaten with a hockey stick while it tried to pick up a box).

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                              • EdHE
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                                Take the dive...

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                                • WhiskeySandwichW
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                                  @EdH ROFL OMG that had me rolling. NAILED IT

                                  "The greatest obstacle to living is expectancy, which hangs upon tomorrow and loses today...The whole future lies in uncertainty: Live immediately."
                                  -Seneca

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                                  • mclaincauseyM
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                                    @EdH based… Trump?! What happened here?

                                    Think it, be it.

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                                    • pechelmanP
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                                      Congrats on getting your first youtube subscriber @EdH 😃

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                                      • EdHE
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                                        @pechelman well they’ll be very bored waiting!

                                        Take the dive...

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                                        • pechelmanP
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                                          Ha! It was me @EdH

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                                          • T4920T
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                                            The new wave of AI music generation tools are quietly concerning, but endlessly entertaining to mess around with.

                                            Two simple prompts, and around 15 seconds later, this is what it came out with...

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                                            https://suno.com/song/18e96a14-c088-40b5-b36c-c9ebc26ce7a6

                                            “𝑁𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑙𝑒𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑢𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑒 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑏 𝑦𝑜𝑢. 𝑌𝑜𝑢 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑚𝑒𝑒𝑡 𝑖𝑡, 𝑖𝑓 𝑦𝑜𝑢 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑡𝑜, 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑚𝑒 𝑤𝑒𝑎𝑝𝑜𝑛𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑠𝑜𝑛 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑐ℎ 𝑡𝑜𝑑𝑎𝑦 𝑎𝑟𝑚 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑡.”

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