Iron Heart Products - What do you think we should make?
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@Matt Yeah, we usually decamp to one of their offices (called their "chambers") after a day in court for a debrief. They'll get out of the robes, wigs, waistcoats, collars, cuffs, half-tunic, etc, basically getting down to the shirt. No hanky panky if that's what you were thinking!
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@EdH said in Iron Heart Products - What do you think we should make?:
@Matt Yeah, we usually decamp to one of their offices (called their "chambers") [.....] No hanky panky if that's what you were thinking!
Depending on the outcome of the case?
The devil is in the detail..
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@AdamJ There might be a high-five or two thrown around if we think we had a particularly good day, but judgment is usually reserved for the judge to write up later, so we rarely know the outcome until later. We're usually quite conservative by nature us lawyers.
@Matt Are you making a pun on the word 'brief'? (Sorry if that kills the joke!)
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It's our preference for short briefs. ;0)
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I asked the guys at the shop about this once, and if I recall correctly….I think there are minimal differences in the opening based on the length and none of the tapers are that drastic you would see a pronounced effect.
May be off base and misremembering the conversation.
Apologies if I’m wrong and delete if necessary.
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@injunjack we tried and failed with the 777S-21. They ended up just being the exact same Jean hemmed to 32 with no difference in taper. We think it was a lost in translation thing, the Japanese think they nailed the brief. We haven’t tried again since that attempt
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@Kasi said in Iron Heart Products - What do you think we should make?:
Easier just get them
Hem to your desires sizeWell no, not really. And it doesn't solve @injunjack 's problem which is a valid one. It is something we want to do, just need to work out how to make it happen.
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@Kasi That wouldn't work mate. The pattern needs to be altered pre-production for this to work effectively. It would essentially become a new cut. The hem measurement at 36.5" on a (say 888 model) would need to be the same at 32" (which it is not if you hem them from the existing pattern)
Its not an easy fix, but we are not giving up on it
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…and I think that’s the problem. I understood @injunjack recommendation/request to mean having different hem lengths available for purchase, and @Alex seeing it as a redesign of the pattern.
As soon as I saw Alex’s interpretation it made me view the initial request differently.
Throw in a language barrier and things would get much more complicated.
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This is really interesting. It sort of implies that a taper as a design is always going to offer a completely different overall shape to legs of different lengths. My 888’s are closer to a straight leg than someone taller.
I’m going to start a denim company that shortens the hem by chopping off length at the thigh and reattaching there to maintain the integrity of the taper shape. -
@Nik said in Iron Heart Products - What do you think we should make?:
This is really interesting. It sort of implies that a taper as a design is always going to offer a completely different overall shape to legs of different lengths. My 888’s are closer to a straight leg than someone taller.
Exactly this.
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Seeing @injunjack and @Alex take I have to say that this is much needed conversation when having tapered cuts. @Haraki-san stated few times that the silhouette is particularly important to him. In his classic straight cut shortening the inseam by hemming or cuffing is an appropriate solution - the silhouette remains intact (@Haraki-san seems to prefer hemming). It all changes with the introduction of taper, any inseam length alteration destroys the very silhouette designer had in mind. And from a practical point of view, it deprives the owner of the very function they were purchased for - the taper.
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Retain cut silhouette regardless of inseam length, in a cost-effective manner…damn, this is a most formidable tailor challenge!
