Coronavirus (Covid-19) Discussion
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i might be an odd one in this situation so don't have a go at me.
i don't know if this belongs in a rant or this thread but having survived SARS and H1N1, this whole situation of lockdown is turning into huge joke. And not to mention being very close to the epicentre of both outbreaks. there's a very fine line between taking precautions and creating mass panic and paranoia.
don't get me wrong. steps have to be taken in order to ensure public health and safety. steps have to be taken to ensure one's personal hygiene. but given situations where i am, things seems to be more panic and hysteria rather than taking precautions. the bottom line is, everyone has a civic duty but at the same time, life has to go on.
A huge joke??? In Italy people are dying because their intensive care units are highly overloaded and doctors have to decided who gets intubation and who will die… sorry but no, there is no hysteria.
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That’s the issue. The amount of beds and equipment needed versus amount of infected. State of NYwill
Have a deficit of 10k-100k beds. Meaning that’s how Many people could possibly go without proper care. The elderly and infirm are at risk. It’s a necessary precaution to isolate. Not that you will die but what if you pass it
To your grandmother or 10 week old son? @Chap is right. -
That’s the issue. The amount of beds and equipment needed versus amount of infected. State of NYwill
Have a deficit of 10k-100k beds. Meaning that’s how Many people could possibly go without proper care. The elderly and infirm are at risk. It’s a necessary precaution to isolate. Not that you will die but what if you pass it
To your grandmother or 10 week old son? @Chap is right.Precisely. It's not about us, about you and me, it's about our parents and grandparents. But we are the ones that help spreading the virus if we continue going to bars, restaurants, concerts… meeting other people. Due to absence of symptoms a grand number of people even don't recognise that they carry the virus. And Italy is a country that generally has a well equipped health system...
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You want well equipped. Look at Singapore, HK, Taiwan. Everything is under control. It’s too late for the countries that fucked up. But for those that are starting to see more cases, surely take a look at those countries above and follow what they’re doing.
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Those countries and cities are all full of the ultra wealthy
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I'd also like to point out that this doesn't have a binary outcome- either death or full recovery. Data is showing that there may be long term aftereffects for survivors, like permanent lung damage.
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What…do you think...those countries did...to control the outbreak...???
Exactly. The govt’s concerned stopped normal life going on, civic duty didn’t even come into it.
Let’s all show some common sense and restraint. Telling people their countries are «fucked» is uncool and likely to upset others. Respectful discussion and an appropriate tone please, ladies and gents. This is serious business.
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I live in MN, USA and I think the US took too long to act. The fact that we have such a focus on freedom to do as we wish here has probably prolonged our controlling of the virus. If our govt. said "stay inside for 2 weeks or be arrested" we could have gotten this thing slowed down faster (obviously that wouldn't happen).
On top of that, our country is so large that so many places thought the virus was simply "somewhere else" and not something our area had to worry about. Now it's too late for a lot of affected areas and we are looking at schools being closed for the rest of the year, sports cancellations and the american people's lives upended.
currently a chef working from home for the next few weeks at least. I'm lucky that my job is small and we are all safe and protected employment wise from this thing.
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for starters, i don't mean by saying that a country is fucked to mean any disrespect. if it came across that way, i do apologise.
what i'm trying to explain was things based around australia that i may not agree with. with current situation, isolation is probably best for europe and USA because of the huge spike in the number of cases. they also need a drastic solution to stop the massive spread that's been spiking in the last week.
however, things in australia is still fairly mild. Yes, i understand that it can balloon at any time but they still have time to look over to those countries that i've said to look at what they've done to maintain a low number, no deaths and normal life. rather than jumping straight to the extreme end of what europe and USA and trying to do.
i personally found the problem from the start was that most countries had a fear of "offending" china if you will, that they were slow to ban or restrict travel from china. from what i've read and remembered, most only restricted if you've been to china in the past 14 days rather than outright banning a chinese passport
i'm not trying to play down how bad this is. but with proper measures in place, things may not have turned out the way they are. i'm not fully sure about europe or USA's measures. but i was in singapore in feb and they banned all chinese nationals (as of today, it includes UK, Italy, France and south korea nationals) from entering or transiting through all ports. contact tracing is also another massive thing they focued on to isolate cases quickly. those two steps i've mentioned can be effective in identifying and isolating cases swiftly.
