IH-555-XHSib - 25oz Selvedge Denim Super Slim Jeans - Indigo/Black

[Matty123]

I heard the same thing… then I used man strength.

[alexswords]

hahahhaa man strength.

[Kasi]

Ha ha [emoji1320] get your self to gym, Hand strength 
Needed.. for those struggling with the buttons [emoji4]

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[Jett129]

I work out,played drums, my hands/fingers are strong AF, and I couldn’t do it. My hats off to you guys that could do it!

[Crit_Obs]

I think it’s more about the technique rather than brute force (that’s what she said).

[Jett129]

Maybe not all button holes are created equally. The holes on my pair were really sewn tight/small.

[Mnbiker]

I loosened mine up with a little mechanical advantage. Not enough to harm the hole, just enough so that it wasn't hard on the fingers. Technique over the brut strength

[Mario3309]

I have the Pronto double indigo. Can anyone give me a logical reason to buy this, except for the fact I really want it? 

[Kasi]

@Mario3309:

I have the Pronto double indigo. Can anyone give me a logical reason to buy this, except for the fact I really want it? 

I have two pairs of them and four other pairs in pronto but still this is different indigo outside, inside black and the first 25oz made in 555, what more can you asked for.

Iron hearts fans have asked to make this fews years back, the they never did, now it here.

So you really want it, get one before it to late.  [emoji3516]

Thanks

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[Mario3309]

@Kasi my will is cracking… not broken yet.... 

[Jett129]

Didn't see your post here,posted a similar reply on the 888XHSib thread.

[Kasi]

@organisys:

@peregrine Arc delete may upset peeps, but it looks good. 

Arc don’t bother me cause I like them blue and yellow but I have a pair with yellow and blue in pronto on the same pair

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[cander49]

I had totally said I'd put these mostly on the back burner and keep wearing my 18 oz 555s almost daily until they're pretty completely broken in (they're at 16 months of almost exclusive daily wear now, so maybe another year?), but these quickly ended up in an even split with the 18 oz.

Unrelated… @Giles or @Alex, I'm curious for your thoughts on durability of these vs lighter jeans. The 18 is the most durable pair of jeans I've ever worn, and at least up to a certain point, more weight should certainly lead to more durability, though this is clearly not always the case, even within similar denims from the same brand. Do you expect more durability from these than from your lighter denim? I'd be curious if you could comment on what the most important factors for durability are. There are a number of ideas that get thrown around, and I've seen your thoughts on thread, etc, but I'm not sure I've ever seen your precise thoughts on the denim material itself. My 555s vs every other pair of selvedge denim I've put through the ringer (ranging from 21 oz Oni to 19 oz Samurai to 17 oz Pure Blue Japan to several others in lighter weights) clearly show that the IH denim material is substantially more durable than other well-made selvedge denim materials from other reputable brands, but I don't fully understand why, and I'd be interested to know why you think that is, and whether these will be even more insane.

[Kasi]

@cander49:

I had totally said I'd put these mostly on the back burner and keep wearing my 18 oz 555s almost daily until they're pretty completely broken in (they're at 16 months of almost exclusive daily wear now, so maybe another year?), but these quickly ended up in an even split with the 18 oz.

Unrelated… @Giles or @Alex, I'm curious for your thoughts on durability of these vs lighter jeans. The 18 is the most durable pair of jeans I've ever worn, and at least up to a certain point, more weight should certainly lead to more durability, though this is clearly not always the case, even within similar denims from the same brand. Do you expect more durability from these than from your lighter denim? I'd be curious if you could comment on what the most important factors for durability are. There are a number of ideas that get thrown around, and I've seen your thoughts on thread, etc, but I'm not sure I've ever seen your precise thoughts on the denim material itself. My 555s vs every other pair of selvedge denim I've put through the ringer (ranging from 21 oz Oni to 19 oz Samurai to 17 oz Pure Blue Japan to several others in lighter weights) clearly show that the IH denim material is substantially more durable than other well-made selvedge denim materials from other reputable brands, but I don't fully understand why, and I'd be interested to know why you think that is, and whether these will be even more insane.

What a question. to ask, am gonna keep it simple my way.

I started with alchemist skull jeans which where 15.5oz at the time that’s was 14 years ago along with pure japan blue.. still needed to go more heavy in oz

Then found iron heart I will says only one word they are the crown king, in my opinion they can not be beaten by anybody in this world that can do better than iron heart,

I have worn samurai, oni, flat head full count, and kamikaze wearing light to Heavy’s in oz

So my favourite brand is iron heart out of them all, the reason feel of the denim and it heavy oz has more durability and the buzz it.

Get yourself 25oz pair of jeans, you will know how it feel wearing against light jeans.

I like to wear heavy jeans all the time, am sure there more iron heart fans like me

thanks

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[Crit_Obs]

@Kasi:

Get yourself 25oz pair of jeans, you will know how it feel wearing against light jeans.

He already has a pair of these (and countless others), he was just asking the guys' insights regarding denim durability and how its related to fabric weight.

[Giles]

Simply.  All other things being equal, the heavier the denim the more durable it will be.  The quality of the cotton and the length of the cotton staple are also significant factors as too is the tightness of the weave.

Our double twisted yarn denims are stronger than the same weight denim constructed from a single weft, this is because the twisted weft makes the denim more supple, so there is less stress in the folds, whiskers, combs etc.

Of course, I am biased, but our 14oz denim is one of the most (if not the most) durable "lighter" weight denim I have ever worn.  I am extremely tough on jeans and I wore my 14oz 666 almost every day for a year, I have retired them now, but they still have heaps of life left.

The one counter-intuitive thing is that if you are prone to crotch blows outs (I'm not) because of your physiology, you are more likely to blow the crotch on heavier (thicker) denim, because the friction is increased due to the thicker denim.

As a final thought, Haraki is extremely dismissive of other companies that make "heavy ounce" denim.  He designs our denim to be a good as he can make them, he truly believes that others have jumped on the (his) heavy ounce bandwagon and just increase the weight of the weft and/or the warp with little understanding of what they are actually doing…...

[mclaincausey]

@Giles:

Of course, I am biased, but our 14oz denim is one of the most (if not the most) durable "lighter" weight denim I have ever worn.  I am extremely tough on jeans and I wore my 14oz 666 almost every day for a year, I have retired them now, but they still have heaps of life left.

May be biased, but that doesn't make you wrong. My 14oz OD are early in their journey, but they are tough as nails.

[spitfiredealer]

Once I finish in my 888NT’s I am going to put the 14oz to test by getting a pair for work.

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[cander49]

@Kasi:

Get yourself 25oz pair of jeans, you will know how it feel wearing against light jeans.

I like to wear heavy jeans all the time, am sure there more iron heart fans like me

thanks

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I'm wearing my 25s right now!  They're great jeans, and it's awesome to see some thoughts on the matter!

[cander49]

Thanks @Giles ! That's interesting re the crotch blowouts. That is usually the second place to tear for me, shortly after the fabric right beneath the back right pocket (thanks, cell phone…). I've always attributed it to just keeping my jeans on the tighter side.

I agree with the thoughts on other heavy weight denim from other brands. I'd always thought of the super heavy stuff from other brands as gimmicky -- those 32 oz from Naked and Famous seemed pretty notorious for not being very durable, for example -- but a friend of mine with 25 oz IH jeans sold me on the idea of them a year back. I like the 555 enough that I don't really want to go with any other fits in the future, so I was super glad when these got announced.