Coronavirus (Covid-19) Discussion
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@Seul as someone interested in equality, these might interest you…
Frightening...chips that can be programmed and monitored. This was the reason the American health care act (Obamacare) V1 was rejected as it included the inclusion of a programmable chip
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55548670
This is weird, the authors obviously don't understand that you can't use The Mental Health Act 83 to make treatment of a physical condition. The fact that the manufacturers of the Oxford vaccine want it to be mandatory by force of detention is Orwellian fucking frightening
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I'm not sure why you're tagging me, Stuart, but I am glad that the vaccine isn't mandatory (nor is it here in Belgium)… Of course, survey showed 70+% of people here are willing to be vaccinated... I might be in favour of it being mandatory if less than 50% of the population was willing to do it...
Those monitorable chips can suck my ball though...
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My wife got her second round of the vaccine earlier this week. So far Bill Gates hasn't taken over control of her mind….
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So far Bill Gates hasn't taken over control of her mind….
She would say that though
Ha! I've known her long enough. I'd probably notice.
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I am in the US and got my first dose of the Moderna vaccine yesterday. I can practically feel the power of millions of mini Bill Gateses running though my body, plus I’ve suddenly become an expert at Excel. In seriousness though….
I am a first responder, which is why I am able to get it so early. Otherwise, I think it would be a long time before someone in my age range who is otherwise healthy would be able to get it.
The shot itself is to the upper arm. It’s pretty sore today, but that’s normal for intramuscular injections (trust me on that). I would have preferred Pfizer to Moderna because of a slightly higher efficacy and smaller dose, but I’ll take what I can get.
In this country, the virus is running rampant, and it seems like the eventuality is that you’ll either get it or get vaccinated. I chose the latter. I did have a few misgivings at first, but reading about it as well as talking to some scientifically minded friends convinced me that this was the right way to go.
One of my biggest concerns is the possibility of long term effects or side effects, but I think that is true both of the virus and the vaccine. The virus seems as though it could potentially be more damaging in the long run, but we just don’t know since it’s only been in humans for about a year.
Science saved me one before. I am a cancer survivor. The drugs I got then which ultimately cured me also came with the possibility of long term side effects. For instance, my chances of getting leukemia are higher than that of the average person. But I wasn’t going to not get chemo to avoid that chance down the road.
The vaccine itself is clear or colorless. I don’t know if that was by design or just how it happened to be. I think the general public is under the impression that all drugs are clear or white, and only have color added for perception or branding (which is to say here at least ibuprofen is generally brown, otc liquid cold medications are dyed, etc.), but that is not the case. One of the drugs I got during chemo was cherry Koolaid red. I’d read about this beforehand, but it was still a little disconcerting to see .5L of red go directly into my veins via an IV. I also saw others in the infusion center get drugs that were electric blue or ink black. I think public perception will be better knowing this one is clear. It might be harder to convince people it’s safe if it were brown or green or something.
I hope you will consider getting vaccinated when it becomes available to you, wherever you are. If anyone has any questions, please feel free to ask. -
@neversummer Thank you very much for taking the time to share your experience, knowledge and personal history. That is valuable stuff.
The vaccine roll out is just starting in Norway and I’m a long way down the list. Happily I live in an area that has enjoyed relatively low infection rates. That can change quickly of course. Sitting tight until I get the jab.
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I would have preferred Pfizer to Moderna because of a slightly higher efficacy and smaller dose, but I’ll take what I can get.
How will this work in the US? I assume all vaccines are covered by health insurance, so you get what you can when you can? I appreciate you are not in the same boat as the average punter will be when this is rolled out over the coming months..
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@neversummer Great write up. I am in health care and just got my first dose of Moderna this afternoon. I actually preferred the moderna, but I have a lot of colleagues that wanted Pfizer. Who knows what will be best in the long run?Just looking forward to getting back to some sort of normal.
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My mother is a nurse and got her first dose of the Moderna vaccine on New Years Eve, the same day my grandmother died from Covid. She was hesitant in the months leading up to the first injection but the insane surge here in Arizona convinced her and the rest of her staff to get the shot. The only side effects she experienced was a sore arm and some fatigue the next day.
It'll be a while before I am able to get my dose but I'll sign up as soon as I am able. I've never felt so alone and depressed my whole life and can't wait to close this horrible chapter in history.
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@Palmer sorry about you loss. I feel the same way, isolated and alone.
Having had the virus I can say that I would gladly walk naked to the hospital in a snow storm up hill both ways to get a vaccine tonight. I've injected all kind of crazy stuff into my arms in the past willingly. So I am not worried about there being any side effects and I certainly wouldn't wish this virus on my worst enemy. It has been awful.
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Australia has, through a mixture of luck, early border closures, and strict lockdowns, managed to keep the pandemic under control. I think that the current outbreak from Sydney has twenty or thirty new cases per day.
The vaccine rollout is due to begin in March, although there is political pressure to bring it forward. I'm happy to receive a dose, and I suspect that it'll be mandatory if I want to travel overseas in the next few years, but I'm not in a rush. The last case of Covid in the small town I'm living in was in March last year.
Qantas announced the resumption of international flights will happen in July, but I think that they're being optimistic. I can't see travel to the US or UK happening in 2021, and one epidemiologist suggested that hotel quarantine for arrivals will continue for several years beyond that.
@Palmer I'm also sorry to hear of your loss, and I'm glad that @Filthy recovered from his run-in with the virus.
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I would have preferred Pfizer to Moderna because of a slightly higher efficacy and smaller dose, but I’ll take what I can get.
How will this work in the US? I assume all vaccines are covered by health insurance, so you get what you can when you can? I appreciate you are not in the same boat as the average punter will be when this is rolled out over the coming months..
No charge for the vaccine. Supposedly the gov't is paying for it.
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I definitely want to make it clear I would NEVER want to disuade anyone from having a vaccine. I do want us to have sovereignty over our own body and be able to make a personally informed choice.
Who is aware that if you have an allegery to penecillin, the risk of taking some vaccines is significantly greater? I am also a front line social care worker in the UK and I am currently contributing to Local Authoriie's policy and guidance on the vaccine. I have to read shit loads of published data on the 2 vaccines currently available in th UK.
The average capacious person isn't asked many questions, or given much info, by the person administering the vaccine. Consent is almost implied by turning up to your appointment. For people without mental capacity, the important info that they and their advocate are given is much more. It's basic, but much more.
Everyone needs to do what is right for them and their loved ones, and wider society. Please make sure you are informed beyond Fox News and BBC headlines. Take care all.
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Yeah I read about the allergic reactions a small minority experienced, but they had a history of allergic reactions to other drugs…
It's funny: when I was in the hospital, I was asked that question a number of times... "Are you allergic to some medication/ drugs"... How was I to know?.. All I know is, is that I'm not allergic to whiskey... I don't take medication, and I've never been to hospital... I just said "no" and well that turned out to be the right answer...
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out of curiosity, how many of you have had vaccines that have been around for a long time, such as BCG or the ones for Hep A and B?
could the current resistance to this be more of how new this is to us or how quick it's been developed rather than being anti vaccination thing? I think for most of us here, vaccines like BCG and the ones for Hepatitis A and B have been out a long time and we don't question it as it has been successful for many years before..
