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    • goosehdG
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      and to finish my thought process.  How do fix something that most teams are doing (probably) at some level, with teams of lawyers and accountants that look for and exploit legal loopholes?  Is it cheating if it’s a loophole, everyone’s doing it, or a rule that hasn’t been written.

      I used to believe that the legal and justice systems were fair and based upon what is right and wrong…as I got older I realized it’s about how much money a person is willing to spend in order to prove that they’re right.  It’s not fair, but…

      "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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      • goosehdG
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        You could penalize them by making them share the data/technology with all of the teams that was acquired by overspending…

        "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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        • mclaincauseyM
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          It's definitely interesting to see how cheating intersects this sport. It's one reason I presume that there are spec series out there, to make it all about the driver and pit strategy instead of the complex, multifactorial gumbo that is F1. I think that including car development is a big part of what makes F1 great, but it's also a major source of inequity between the performance ceilings of the haves and haves not, and very difficult to regulate with or without caps in place, and especially with.

          The teams have to agree to the rules, and I don't think you'll get teams to buy into sharing IP as a penalty. That supposedly is how Ferrari wound up in a secret settlement with F1 when they cheated in 2019.

          One interesting idea though for a different "Robin Hood" way of managing the penalties could be that the overspend payments a) apply against next year's cap (as mentioned), b) two consecutive minors constitute a major infraction (also as mentioned), c) the penalty payments incurred by the offending team are shared between the compliant teams to help the smaller guys even the playing ground. Maybe this incremental revenue can be spent without counting against the cap? I haven't thought that through fully, but hurting yourself and helping your opponents in the same breach would presumably get people's attention and hopefully get them to toe the line more carefully.

          Think it, be it.

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          • goosehdG
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            Hat’s off to Alonso for that amazing performance today.  Surprised he wasn’t hurt in that accident, but to come back and take 7th is impressive!

            "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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            • mclaincauseyM
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              They hit him with a 30s penalty for driving a car in unsafe condition so he fell to P15. Impressive nonetheless as it was scary.

              Really a great race! I wish Hamilton could heave kept that lead and once again and frustrated with Russell although at least this time he apologized.

              Meanwhile, I made a thing:

              Think it, be it.

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              • OllyO
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                Jumping in on this because I usually share my GP thoughts/concerns/elations with @Giles.

                Full disclosure, I loathe Verstappen - I think he’s utterly gifted, but I’ve hated his lack of grace for a number of years now. I looked back to some of his earlier races, one may have been USA, the other definitely was, where he was taken off the podium twice. Do you guys remember? He overtook Kimi off the track, then out braked himself whilst defending against Vettel but didn’t give the place back?

                I truly hope that he loses the 2021 championship because of this cost cap issue. He is a more than deserving driver - this year, for example - but rules is rules, no?

                Lovely to have a rant, and looking forward to any further, compelling points from other F1 fans.

                Hope you’re all well and looking forward to Mexico this weekend.

                Olly

                Stop thinking and start fucking doing..

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                • scooterS
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                  "How bad do you want it ?"

                  I have a feeling it won't happen again, though…

                  Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

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                  • GilesG
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                    Dude's got some balls…....

                    "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                    • mclaincauseyM
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                      I agree that Max has been an asshole and an overly aggressive driver, but overturning last season's WDC wouldn't have been appropriate IMO.

                      The injustice was in the stewardship of the race, and while I wish it hadn't happened, I don't think that the infraction justified overturning the result, and I also don't think that something like could come across as anything but a retroactive correction of the race stewardship, which would be a bad look.

                      Think it, be it.

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                      • GilesG
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                        Just about everything they have been doing for the last 24 months is a bad look in my opinion…....

                        "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                        • mclaincauseyM
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                          I'd go back at least 33 months, but agreed 100%. Such a great league but FIA is a dumpster fire.

                          Think it, be it.

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                          • GilesG
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                            Not going to argue, just couldn't be bothered to do the math  🙂 🙂 🙂

                            "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                            • mclaincauseyM
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                              Oh Ferrari…  😃 just comical

                              Kudos to Haas and Kmag

                              Think it, be it.

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                              • SeulS
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                                R U S S E L L ! R U S S E L L ! R U S S E L L !

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                                • GilesG
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                                  Pretty mature stuff from Max…..NOT....

                                  "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                  • goosehdG
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                                    Max is being a “wanger”  😃 Thanks for the new term @Matt

                                    "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                                    • goosehdG
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                                      Sorry @EdH came up with the term…so I guess @Matt can just… 😉

                                      "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                                      • mclaincauseyM
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                                        Total dirtbag move. And not unexpected either.

                                        Think it, be it.

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                                        • SteveS
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                                          Think that pretty much sums up why I dont have much time for Verstappen. Yes, a talented driver, but doesnt seem to be a pleasant person!

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                                          • mclaincauseyM
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                                            I have not had a team in F1 and have just been enjoying the sport and associated soap opera. I idly mentioned I should probably back the sole American team on the grid and wound up with a lovely Christmas gift from the wife!

                                            Think it, be it.

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