Motor Sport
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the EPL may have massive spend within the top 6, but at the same time, it's the only league in the world that a team in 20th may overrun the top team in the league. granted, it might not be the same across the top leagues in Europe where only 2 or 3 teams will compete at the top every year.
maybe a better solution would be the equivalent to FFP where revenues decide how much a team can spend. this not only creates a fairer playing ground for teams to attract supporters, it also helps build the support in terms of F1 and who knows maybe even F2 and F3.. think of it as a team in the premier league has it's reserves and U21/U18s down the "ladder"
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I saw this on the F1 subreddit a while back
Not shown here, but Max’s win rate when Leclerc has pole is twice Leclerc’s own win rate when he himself has pole.
Obviously reliability and strategy issues at play here but it’s just such a stark contrast I found it noteworthy.
I’d love to see Sir Lewis mount a challenge for WDC #8 next season and for Charles to be in the mix as well even if I kind of dislike Ferrari as a team.
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mount a challenge for WDC #9 next season
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I'm with you Zak…..
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My take is to put a probably in front of that since we still haven't seen the receipts.
If they don't come down hard on cap violations and only do fines, then it does the precise opposite of what it was intended to do and increases the advantage of the moneyed teams instead of leveling the playing field.
But the regulations (I've read them) are very open to interpretation and this is a difficult regulation that will probably require some iterations to get it dialed in.
The FIA has botched handling of the whole thing. None of us should have heard anything about this until they were ready to make public the findings. Maybe they think generating this kind of gossip and speculation is press, and any press is good press. I would counter that there are a lot of new fans, and the appearance of unfairness could jeopardize the growth of the sport by turning them and even long-term fans away from a sport they view as rigged, especially with the management of Abu Dhabi last year.
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But the regulations (I've read them) are very open to interpretation and this is a difficult regulation that will probably require some iterations to get it dialed in.
Which is why 2020 was a test year, so teams could do precisely that…...
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And still there is ambiguity in the regulations, so like I said, "some iterations" I think will be required. One season isn't enough for a cost cap regulation to come out perfect in such a complex sport with so many clever people trying to figure out ways to game the regulations.
Zak has the same idea I do of applying penalties to the following year's cap, but he added something that addresses a problem I hadn't resolved yet with that idea: that a team could just keep violating year over year without caring about penalties if they have the budget for that.
His idea was two or more minor breaches constitute a major breach. If those two can occur in consecutive seasons, that closes the gap in cap penalties.
Then again, if your cap gets drawn down year after year, eventually there will be a major breach I guess. I like his idea a lot though to impose a more immediate, meaningful penalty.
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Cheating in sport happens in all venues and all levels. The seven times Lance Armstrong won the Tour de France were probably the most talked about and most watched of that series's entire history. Ask the average person who Lance Armstrong was/is and most would be able to tell you and then ask them who the current winner of the Tour is (Jonas Vingegaard - I had to look it up).
My daughter just finished her cross country running season and told me numerous kids cut corners during practice and the race. She's 11… It's hard to tell her that it happens and she should accept it or she should do it herself, because I don't want her too. I don't agree with it and hope she doesn't and feel my role as a parent is to teach her right from wrong. At the end of the day I hope I'm doing it right, but realize not everyone plays by the same rule book.
As for F1, is it fair for one team to cheat and gain an unfair advantage...No, but how many others have not been caught (yet). Drama sells tickets, gains viewers, and viewers buy merchandise. Like it or not, the entire industry is making money off of this entire situation and the benefits to all of this affects us all.
Think about the technologies developed for F1 and all of motorsport that trickle down into the vehicles we drive today. Faster, more efficient, better for the environment, and safer.
It would be great if there was no cheating in sports, but it has happened since sports began...I don't condone it, just want to state that there isn't a sport today that isn't fixed at some level...
I do hope they find a way to make it better and more fair for everyone...Just my $.02
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and to finish my thought process. How do fix something that most teams are doing (probably) at some level, with teams of lawyers and accountants that look for and exploit legal loopholes? Is it cheating if it’s a loophole, everyone’s doing it, or a rule that hasn’t been written.
I used to believe that the legal and justice systems were fair and based upon what is right and wrong…as I got older I realized it’s about how much money a person is willing to spend in order to prove that they’re right. It’s not fair, but…
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It's definitely interesting to see how cheating intersects this sport. It's one reason I presume that there are spec series out there, to make it all about the driver and pit strategy instead of the complex, multifactorial gumbo that is F1. I think that including car development is a big part of what makes F1 great, but it's also a major source of inequity between the performance ceilings of the haves and haves not, and very difficult to regulate with or without caps in place, and especially with.
The teams have to agree to the rules, and I don't think you'll get teams to buy into sharing IP as a penalty. That supposedly is how Ferrari wound up in a secret settlement with F1 when they cheated in 2019.
One interesting idea though for a different "Robin Hood" way of managing the penalties could be that the overspend payments a) apply against next year's cap (as mentioned), b) two consecutive minors constitute a major infraction (also as mentioned), c) the penalty payments incurred by the offending team are shared between the compliant teams to help the smaller guys even the playing ground. Maybe this incremental revenue can be spent without counting against the cap? I haven't thought that through fully, but hurting yourself and helping your opponents in the same breach would presumably get people's attention and hopefully get them to toe the line more carefully.
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They hit him with a 30s penalty for driving a car in unsafe condition so he fell to P15. Impressive nonetheless as it was scary.
Really a great race! I wish Hamilton could heave kept that lead and once again and frustrated with Russell although at least this time he apologized.
Meanwhile, I made a thing:
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Jumping in on this because I usually share my GP thoughts/concerns/elations with @Giles.
Full disclosure, I loathe Verstappen - I think he’s utterly gifted, but I’ve hated his lack of grace for a number of years now. I looked back to some of his earlier races, one may have been USA, the other definitely was, where he was taken off the podium twice. Do you guys remember? He overtook Kimi off the track, then out braked himself whilst defending against Vettel but didn’t give the place back?
I truly hope that he loses the 2021 championship because of this cost cap issue. He is a more than deserving driver - this year, for example - but rules is rules, no?
Lovely to have a rant, and looking forward to any further, compelling points from other F1 fans.
Hope you’re all well and looking forward to Mexico this weekend.
Olly
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I agree that Max has been an asshole and an overly aggressive driver, but overturning last season's WDC wouldn't have been appropriate IMO.
The injustice was in the stewardship of the race, and while I wish it hadn't happened, I don't think that the infraction justified overturning the result, and I also don't think that something like could come across as anything but a retroactive correction of the race stewardship, which would be a bad look.
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I'd go back at least 33 months, but agreed 100%. Such a great league but FIA is a dumpster fire.
