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    IHSH-62-BLK - 12oz Wabash Western Shirt - Black

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    • xtcclassicX
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      • jay-cyJ
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        Anybody pimped this with brass snaps yet?
        Planning to change to brass cymbal snaps on this and I wonder how it may look like…

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        • PalmerP
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          @jay-cy:

          Anybody pimped this with brass snaps yet?
          Planning to change to brass cymbal snaps on this and I wonder how it may look like…

          That would look great. I would like to put some brass snaps on the black 33 but they appear to be out of stock.

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          • neph93N
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            @Palmer:

            @jay-cy:

            Anybody pimped this with brass snaps yet?
            Planning to change to brass cymbal snaps on this and I wonder how it may look like…

            That would look great. I would like to put some brass snaps on the black 33 but they appear to be out of stock.

            I read on another thread that @Giles is having trouble getting the brass snaps and they may have to go Extinct [emoji3525]

            “Some of those that work forces
            Are the same that burn crosses”

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            • WlemonW
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              @neph93 holy crap. Are you serious?

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              • ChrisC
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                I saw that, too. Can't remember where, though.

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                • GilesG
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                  @Wlemon:

                  @neph93 holy crap. Are you serious?

                  Yep…..

                  "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                  • jay-cyJ
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                    why does the bottom hem always roll up on these (and almost all other IHSHs)?

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                    • neph93N
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                      @jay-cy:

                      why does the bottom hem always roll up on these (and almost all other IHSHs)?

                      The stitch used for the hem creates that effect, I believe.

                      “Some of those that work forces
                      Are the same that burn crosses”

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                      • GilesG
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                        Neph, I think you may be right.  I've asked H again, because if I've been told, I've forgotten…..

                        "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                        • jay-cyJ
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                          Hmm… I have the same sort of stitching on other HD-shirts and the hem remains flat...
                          The „roll“ also extends the stitching and goes further up beyond the stitiching area...
                          Maybe the fibres get stretched in the stitching process and this causes them shrinking back and, thus, rolling up?

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                          • GilesG
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                            It may look the same, but the needle and/or bobbin tensions could be very different.  I'm sure there is an explanation, but I'm going to wait for H to get back to me….

                            "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                              I’ll chime in and say that happens on my Momotaro work shirt that is heavy weight as well. I just figured it is a function of the weight, besides it exposes some roping details that I like, so doesn’t bother me.

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                              • neph93N
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                                It is definitely more pronounced in the heavier shirts, but it happens on my 5oz chambray ISH-119 too. This is why I believe it is the stitching style. I think @Chris has explained it on here before, many moons ago.

                                “Some of those that work forces
                                Are the same that burn crosses”

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                                • ChrisC
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                                  I thought it was due to the twill weave, since I've only seen it happen on wabash and denim shirts, but that can't be right if it's occurring on your chambray shirts, too.

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                                  • jay-cyJ
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                                    Found a more general explanation in the web:

                                    „ Roping is indicative of uneven feeding into the folder or even if the hem is turned by hand. If the hemmed edge is round rather than straight, roping is more common because the bottom of the hem edge is actually wider (longer) at the hem fold line than at the stitch line, causing the hem to flip up.“

                                    Don‘t know if this applies to the IH manufacturing process but sounds sound to me…

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                                    • neph93N
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                                      @Chris:

                                      I thought it was due to the twill weave, since I've only seen it happen on wabash and denim shirts, but that can't be right if it's occurring on your chambray shirts, too.

                                      It isn’t quite the same on the chambray. Less pronounced and happens at the seam rather than starting above it. That could be the difference twill makes.

                                      “Some of those that work forces
                                      Are the same that burn crosses”

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                                      • jay-cyJ
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                                        With my shirts it’s also mor pronounced on the heavier twills and denims. The chambray is rather flat…

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                                        • neph93N
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                                          Took some quick photos this morning as I was getting ready for the day:

                                          IHSH-62-IND:

                                          IHSH-33-IND

                                          IHSH-64 (Jersey knit)

                                          IHSH-119 (5oz chambray)

                                          IHSH-118 (5oz chambray)

                                          IHSH-662-WHI

                                          IHSH-178 (overdyed 18oz denim)

                                          Shirts that do not have the turn-up include my flannels, (both UHF’s, IHSH-179 and 10oz flannels), and my wool mix IHSH-163’s.

                                          Some shirts have the turn up at the back but not at the front (IHSH-165). Some that have the turn up also have heavy, 3D roping around the hem, but not all.

                                          Based on this weight is not a factor, nor is twill alone affected. The stitch seems decisive, but fabric type may still play a role. How much of a role the tension of the stitch plays, is difficult to assess, but may explain the heavy 3D roping on some shirts but not others.

                                          Thank you for letting me indulge my nerdiness [emoji1]

                                          “Some of those that work forces
                                          Are the same that burn crosses”

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                                          • GilesG
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                                            Haraki has given me the explanation.

                                            On a curved hem, like on most Iron Heart shirts,  the length of seam allowance edge (brown) is longer than the length of the seam stitch (orange). This creates a tendency for the fabric to curl towards the longer side.

                                            And, there are 3 thicknesses of fabric on the hem.

                                            Given the thickness of the resulting seam, it is easier for the fabric to roll away from the bulky seam, than to roll towards the bulk.

                                            It is something that can't be avoided, and the tendency to roll up is a direct function of the bulk and weight of the fabric.  The heavier/bulkier the fabric and thus the seam, the more pronounced the roll outwards will be…

                                            "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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