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    Giles
    IHUK Crew
    Joined: 22 Sept 2009

    Grail inbound …...  ::)

    Now, if anyone wants to buy an immaculate 1987/8 GMT Pepsi or 1970 black bezel GMT, PM me..... 🙂

    "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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      Graeme
      啓蒙家
      Joined: 30 Mar 2012

      Looking forward to seeing what you're getting @Giles. I'm guessing it originates from Le Brassus.

      I also hope that you're not taking my suggestion of trading the Rolexes in as being sound investment advice! 😉

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        Giles
        IHUK Crew
        Joined: 22 Sept 2009

        It may have  ;).  Mine is not new, so will have travelled a bit before getting to me.

        I simply won't wear the Rolexes.  I love them both, but they sit in the safe not being worn.  Well, I'm actually not that disciplined, they live in this box, which is currently on my desk…..

        "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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          Graeme
          啓蒙家
          Joined: 30 Mar 2012

          As long as it doesn't turn up looking like this poor Speedy!

          And make sure that the GMTs aren't sitting on the desk next time I visit. 😃

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            mclaincausey
            見習いボス
            Joined: 12 Apr 2013

            @Graeme:

            Since bezel screws always mess with people's OCD, here's another article on them. 😃

            https://timeandtidewatches.com/the-problem-with-bezel-screws/

            We can detect gravitational wave perturbations that are less than the width of a proton. I don't understand why aligning screws is such an engineering challenge. That screed would have been much more interesting and productive had it explained why that challenge is so insurmountable.

            Think it, be it.

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              JDelage
              啓蒙家
              Joined: 13 Jan 2012

              I agree with @mclaincausey . Given the tolerances required to make tourbillons, bridges, etc, I don't see why the screws can't be timed.

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                mclaincausey
                見習いボス
                Joined: 12 Apr 2013

                To be clear, I'm strictly speaking of case-constructional screws, particularly if they are part of the watch's aesthetic, and to a lesser degree screw-down crowns. Movement screws being aligned? Not so much, I understand why that would be very difficult and not worth the effort.

                Think it, be it.

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                  JDelage
                  啓蒙家
                  Joined: 13 Jan 2012

                  Yes, me too. Thanks for the precision. I was mentioning the movement elements only to point out that they have the knowledge & tooling to do super precise work.

                  last edited by 22 May 2019, 17:50 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                    mclaincausey
                    見習いボス
                    Joined: 12 Apr 2013

                    Exactly–and to people who deride or dismiss this as a pointless conceit (as if a flying tourbillon is comparatively tame) or OCD (if they're highly visible in the case, why wouldn't you want them aligned?), we're talking about watches with highly, intricately decorated movements, oftentimes not even made visible through the case and dial, so not paying similar attention to exposed elements doesn't make sense to me. To others who say it's too labor-intensive or time-consuming to do it, that's a slap in the face to someone paying 5, 6, or even 7 figures for a timepiece.

                    Richard Mille's approach of a proprietary star-shaped screw is an interesting fix, reducing the visual jarring of independently-adjusted screws. Countersunk bolts is another way (Royal Oak) way to solve it that I find a bit goofy (why make it look like a screw when it's countersunk into a bezel and thus couldn't rotate in the first place?).

                    I'm a bit surprised given the attention to detail, precision, and general engineering achievement in the industry that no one has solved for this–at the least as a differentiator against the status quo, since novelty sells at all levels of horology.

                    Think it, be it.

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                      Giles
                      IHUK Crew
                      Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                      "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                        neph93
                        見習いボス
                        Joined: 18 Aug 2014

                        That is very, very pretty. Does the bezel rotate?

                        “Some of those that work forces
                        Are the same that burn crosses”

                        • Virginia Woolf
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                          Giles
                          IHUK Crew
                          Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                          Yes, with the smoothest, most satisfying action of any watch I have ever played with….(None of which have been in this league though).

                          Oh, and if I told you what it cost me, none of you would ever talk to me again....

                          "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                            neph93
                            見習いボス
                            Joined: 18 Aug 2014

                            @Giles:

                            Oh, and if I told you what it cost me, none of you would ever talk to me again….

                            I’m sure I’d forgive you… That bezel looks amazing. The contrast of the notched metal (steel?) ring and glazed (enamelled?) top is wonderful. It’s beauty and function in perfect harmony.

                            “Some of those that work forces
                            Are the same that burn crosses”

                            • Virginia Woolf
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                              Giles
                              IHUK Crew
                              Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                              Stainless steel.  Crystal bezel

                              "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                Graeme
                                啓蒙家
                                Joined: 30 Mar 2012

                                Nice watch @Giles. I recall that you've been after one for years.

                                last edited by 23 May 2019, 15:46 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                  mclaincausey
                                  見習いボス
                                  Joined: 12 Apr 2013

                                  Congratulations! That's a perfect watch for everyday IMO.

                                  @neph93 the original had an acrylic bezel. When they rebooted it, they moved to a sapphire, lumed bezel that, as @Giles referenced, has the loudest, most solid and satisfying ratchet action in the biz. This to me is a perfect way to honor the design of the original, but to modernize it.

                                  Well-played, Giles

                                  Think it, be it.

                                  last edited by 23 May 2019, 16:02 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                    kkibbey23
                                    Haraki san Prodigy
                                    Joined: 16 Oct 2013

                                    @Giles amazing pickup. I tried a regular FF on not long ago and was blown away by it.  Its on my list for sure.

                                    I believe that edition was limited to 500? So great you got the grail you gave been after for a very long time.

                                    Congrats!

                                    Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

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                                      Giles
                                      IHUK Crew
                                      Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                                      Yep, limited to 500….

                                      "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                        bryaneidins70
                                        Iron Heart Deity
                                        Joined: 24 Feb 2017

                                        Lovely watch @Giles  😎

                                        'Fail we may…Sail we must'

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                                          Chris
                                          Raw and Unwashed
                                          Joined: 28 Jun 2010

                                          Really fantastic.  I'm happy you finally managed to get one, since you've lusted after it for years.

                                          I'm looking forward to checking it out in person eventually…  😉

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