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    • rocketR
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      I think you guys are right, hehe…

      rocketrocksrox 🤙🏼🤙🏾

      It's all humbug, like everywhere
      R.I.P. Geo

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      • neph93N
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        It’s surely unhealthy that we know these things and actually take the time to work it out amongst us [emoji23]

        “Some of those that work forces
        Are the same that burn crosses”

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        • Matty123M
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          How can it be unhealthy if you’re helping an amigo find an answer?? Thanks boys  😉

          Maybe so. Maybe not

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          • Matty123M
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            Ok, so I was perusing the Pronto blog and came along this “Larry Smith” brand jewelry… anyone have any clue at all why they’re making,  and why Pronto is selling F***ing  Swastikas? Please correct me if I’m
            Wrong. Are they not swastikas?

            Maybe so. Maybe not

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            • neph93N
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              They are, but swastikas have a long, interesting and benign history before they were co-opted by assholes.

              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

              “Some of those that work forces
              Are the same that burn crosses”

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              • Matty123M
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                Thanks Reuben. I do understand that. But some shit you just can’t come back from…. I would think

                Maybe so. Maybe not

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                • neph93N
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                  It’s still used with it’s original meaning in large parts of the world so for a lot of people it only ever was a good thing. Context is for kings and all that.

                  “Some of those that work forces
                  Are the same that burn crosses”

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                  • Matty123M
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                    Uncultured American i am

                    Maybe so. Maybe not

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                    • neph93N
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                      @Matty123:

                      Uncultured American i am

                      Not at all. It’s a shocker wherever you see it for pretty much everyone from a Western society. I do think it’s worth trying to look past that given that it’s cultural significance before the 1930’s was massive and ancient.

                      “Some of those that work forces
                      Are the same that burn crosses”

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                      • Matty123M
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                        I’m curious about the origins of it. The stigma is strong but I am interested in the history. Thanks bro. Up with Eddie are ya??

                        Maybe so. Maybe not

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                        • GilesG
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                          It's found all over the world.  Lots of swastikas are used in Native American jewellery and it is used a lot in Japan.  Just because it was appropriated by a regime, does not mean it has to stop being used by peoples who have used it for millennia….

                          https://nativeamericanjewelrytips.wordpress.com/2010/06/10/native-american-symbol-whirling-log-swastika/

                          https://www.japantimes.co.jp/community/2016/02/10/voices/educate-people-keep-manji-卍-japans-maps/#.WoEmAJPFIWo

                          "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                          • neph93N
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                            @Matty123:

                            Up with Eddie are ya??

                            Oh yes. Poor bugger has his first proper cold [emoji849]

                            “Some of those that work forces
                            Are the same that burn crosses”

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                            • SeulS
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                              Oh yes. Poor bugger has his first proper hangover [emoji849]

                              Lay off the Akvavit, young Eddie… Unless you wanna end up like this other Eddie...

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                              • ColeC
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                                Shure as hell I would not wear one of these here in Germany or any other country affected by the great world tour from 1939-45, but if someone from a country where that symbol has a completely different history chooses to wear one, that’s fine by me. That person should just have an eye on the choice of jewelry when traveling.

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                                • neph93N
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                                  That’s a good point. I’m all for a bit of cultural sensitivity.

                                  I remember flying into the Maldives (moderate Muslim country) and seeing a young European woman getting off the plain wearing very high heels and a nearly nude mini dress with a thong. You could see what she ate on the plane if she bent over.

                                  Now I’d defend her right to wear whatever she likes normally, but for the 60 mins it takes to transfer from the plane to whatever fantastic island boutique hotel you’re staying at, when you’re in a country where the vast majority of women wear headscarves, then the least you could do is cover your butt.

                                  “Some of those that work forces
                                  Are the same that burn crosses”

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                                  • Matty123M
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                                    @neph93:

                                    @Matty123:

                                    Up with Eddie are ya??

                                    Oh yes. Poor bugger has his first proper cold [emoji849]

                                    Poor little guy. Hope he feels better soon.

                                    Maybe so. Maybe not

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                                    • Matty123M
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                                      @Giles:

                                      It's found all over the world.  Lots of swastikas are used in Native American jewellery and it is used a lot in Japan.  Just because it was appropriated by a regime, does not mean it has to stop being used by peoples who have used it for millennia….

                                      https://nativeamericanjewelrytips.wordpress.com/2010/06/10/native-american-symbol-whirling-log-swastika/

                                      https://www.japantimes.co.jp/community/2016/02/10/voices/educate-people-keep-manji-卍-japans-maps/#.WoEmAJPFIWo

                                      Thanks for the information Giles

                                      Maybe so. Maybe not

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                                      • S
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                                        Aha! The age-old discovery of swastikas on culturally appropriated jewelry.  The question is, @Matty123, are you willing to rock a symbol that for many is viscerally upsetting?  I personally am not, but I also can't bring myself to try and argue that it's only a signifier of nazism.  I can't ever reclaim that symbol or have a good vibes feeling from it.  But, it was never part of my cultural heritage to begin with.  Except for the way the bad influenced the lives of my Jewish ancestors.

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                                        • Matty123M
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                                          I grew up with many relatives and close friends who are jewish. and i cant reconcile that symbol. IMO sometimes some people just ruin some things for everyone… no coming back for me.

                                          Maybe so. Maybe not

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                                          • madmondayM
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                                            can totally relate to apprehension to a symbol that has a long and storied history.

                                            i feel the same way about (burning) crosses and the United States flag

                                            head high, middle finger higher

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