There's no Such Thing as a Stupid Question
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Uncultured American i am
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I’m curious about the origins of it. The stigma is strong but I am interested in the history. Thanks bro. Up with Eddie are ya??
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It's found all over the world. Lots of swastikas are used in Native American jewellery and it is used a lot in Japan. Just because it was appropriated by a regime, does not mean it has to stop being used by peoples who have used it for millennia….
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Shure as hell I would not wear one of these here in Germany or any other country affected by the great world tour from 1939-45, but if someone from a country where that symbol has a completely different history chooses to wear one, that’s fine by me. That person should just have an eye on the choice of jewelry when traveling.
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That’s a good point. I’m all for a bit of cultural sensitivity.
I remember flying into the Maldives (moderate Muslim country) and seeing a young European woman getting off the plain wearing very high heels and a nearly nude mini dress with a thong. You could see what she ate on the plane if she bent over.
Now I’d defend her right to wear whatever she likes normally, but for the 60 mins it takes to transfer from the plane to whatever fantastic island boutique hotel you’re staying at, when you’re in a country where the vast majority of women wear headscarves, then the least you could do is cover your butt.
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It's found all over the world. Lots of swastikas are used in Native American jewellery and it is used a lot in Japan. Just because it was appropriated by a regime, does not mean it has to stop being used by peoples who have used it for millennia….
Thanks for the information Giles
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Aha! The age-old discovery of swastikas on culturally appropriated jewelry. The question is, @Matty123, are you willing to rock a symbol that for many is viscerally upsetting? I personally am not, but I also can't bring myself to try and argue that it's only a signifier of nazism. I can't ever reclaim that symbol or have a good vibes feeling from it. But, it was never part of my cultural heritage to begin with. Except for the way the bad influenced the lives of my Jewish ancestors.
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I grew up with many relatives and close friends who are jewish. and i cant reconcile that symbol. IMO sometimes some people just ruin some things for everyone… no coming back for me.
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can totally relate to apprehension to a symbol that has a long and storied history.
i feel the same way about (burning) crosses and the United States flag
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Am I going to have to start a Semiotics/Post-Structuralism/Situationism thread? You guys are awesome!
I don’t know why (actually I do, but I’m not going into it here), but I’ve managed to see the difference between the Asian/oriental usage and the nazi scum usage since I was about 18. My brain just processes them to different places.
It’s partially to do with the way they’re expressed. The former tend to go the other way and lack the colour scheme and facist lines and execution of the latter.
It’s pretty interesting that we see the original as being stylised versions of the newer expression wheras the opposite is true. In fact the vile nazi version is extremely stylised and the red/white/black colour scheme, angular lines, and so on are all part of horrifically effective profile design overhaul done by Hitler’s krypto-modernists.
@madmonday ‘s example of crosses is another example of a deeply divisive sign with so many signifying permutations it’s bewildering. Interestingly though the vast majority of people in western countries treat it as benign. Go figure.
(See what you all made me do now… [emoji23] )
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I love you @neph93 and I am a troll so take me with a grain of salt or sugar.
perspective is a heck of a thing ain't it, hahahahhaha
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neph read many book. make brain strong
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The age-old discovery of swastikas on culturally appropriated jewelry. The question is, are you willing to rock a symbol that for many is viscerally upsetting?
Given what I just wrote above with regards to how I process the different versions, I find the cultural appropriation part of this much more of a provocation than the original expression of the symbol itself. If some just-moved-to-Brooklyn type ever tried to wokesplain their affirmative answer to that question to me, I would only reluctantly be held responsible for my actions.
