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    • mclaincauseyM
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      If you have to have Made in America jawnery, why not Railcar? They make their own stuff.

      Think it, be it.

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        I think I read somewhere that Gustin jeans are cut and sewn in SF at the same plant as Tellason. But even if that place isn't staffed by undocumented workers, I can guarantee most of them aren't earning any more than the minimum wage for the city of San Francisco, which is close to $11 per hour. That type of job doesn't usually offer benefits to its hourly employees, although in SF most businesses are required to provide some sort of health coverage. In my opinion, this type of wage manufacturing job in the US is a very difficult way to live comfortably. From my limited knowledge of Japanese manufacturers, their employees seem to be better taken care of.

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        • mclaincauseyM
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          San Francisco has free universal health care though, so it's not as bad as it would be almost anywhere else in the US. Minimum wage will hit $15/hour by 2018.

          I'm wondering though, do we really think they could get away with illegal laborers in a high profile San Francisco factory? I'm skeptical.

          Think it, be it.

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          • Megatron1505M
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            Look, all I'm saying about Gustin in particular, and I can't empirically question their ethics as I have no empirical evidence, is that they riff the quality angle hard and I think that there are questions to be asked there due to their price point.

            They talk about artisan quality specifically which I am pretty sure is seriously bold claim considering they don't use proprietary fabrics and contract their sewing out.

            They make a play of being the equal of the high end of denim, both Japanese and American but it doesn't stack to me, plus the attitude of (some of) their customers rubs me up the wrong way.

            Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

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              SF is a so-called "Safe harbor" city. They don't prosecute or deport undocumented people who are caught for unrelated crimes. As for working, I worked for several well known restaurant groups, and a lot of their workers had fake documents and SSNs.

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              • 4c4
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                If anyone has anything more than just speculation that Gustin and its factories (could in theory) have a policy of illegal employment than I will never buy from them again or any of the other brands who use the illegally hiring shop. But if there is zero actual factually based problem with this than I have about as much reason to suspect Gustin as I do any other company…

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                • Megatron1505M
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                  Your opinion man, nature of the thread and I'm genuinely pleased that you like the product.

                  Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

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                  • SeulS
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                    @Giles:

                    I could hand on heart claim it to be made in America, but so what?

                    I was naively blinded by the "made in the USofA" badge for  a while… This is why I am now getting into Goodwear:

                    I am also trying to overcome my ignorance towards Southern-Asian countries and my thinking it's àll sweatshop made…

                    Unpop op: I love the Ebola virus...

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                    • QinhanQ
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                      @Seul:

                      Unpop op: I love the Ebola virus…

                      I saw you more as a swine flu kind of guy.

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                      • SeulS
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                        Sure, but it's not efficient enough… Those lazy swine ey!..

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                        • 4c4
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                          This is perhaps the best quote ever regarding unpopular opinions… but that’s just my unpopular opinion. 😉

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                          • Megatron1505M
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                            It's not something I find myself doing very often  😛

                            Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

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                            • SeulS
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                              People that give their kids meat as "snacks", are bad parents.

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                              • mclaincauseyM
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                                People that give their kids crackers and potato chips and cookies and fruit juice as snacks are harming their children.

                                Think it, be it.

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                                • SeulS
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                                  None of it's healthy, but that's not what I meant.

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                                  • steelworkerS
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                                    @Seul:

                                    None of it's healthy, but that's not what I meant.

                                    Yikes!

                                    Those are my principles, and if you don't like them…
                                    Well, I have others.

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                                    • Megatron1505M
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                                      New Balance sneakers are ugly as sin.

                                      Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

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                                      • FurattoHeddoF
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                                        ^Not unpopular in my book 😃

                                        "Don't ever be sorry"

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                                        • mclaincauseyM
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                                          @Megatron1505:

                                          New Balance sneakers are ugly as sin.

                                          No, not at all…

                                          Think it, be it.

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                                          • Megatron1505M
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                                            Sorry Mac, the pic wasn't showing so I tried to edit it and fucked it up more. Please repost.

                                            Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

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