Random Rants
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Ahh fuck it, I'm done ranting. Poor quality shirt for the price, end of story.
Done with this thread.
This was your quote from the roy thread:
"I want to point out, since there is some question to why this shirt is so expensive, that there are details in the shirt, sewing techniques, folds, and other crazy shit, that to someone who sews, blows their fucking mind. I only hope that in five years, which is roughly what roy has been sewing, that I am this good. And every sewing technique, machine used, measurement, stitch, is sewn by one man. Most factory sewers do one thing all day. If you run a felling machine that is what you do all day. Roy buys, learns, maybe restores, and masters every sewing machine it takes to produce garments, and then….... Produces unreal garments. Is this shirt as tough as iron heart, no, But its details are only what you get from a master sewer, not a factory. One dude and his machines, does it get much more badass, I don't think so."You said yourself its a great shirt prior. I'm not sure why you expect your shirt not to burn, same thing with the jacket you mentioned with "20 holes" That is not a design flaw, that is how things work respectfully. Embers burn things.... That's the way it is and in no way does that reflect the quality of a shirt jacket or otherwise. I don't understand how you can pin this on anyone else.
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Correct, which still stands true, go back a little more where the first thing I mention is how thin this shirt is.
I'm not bitching that the stitching sucks or that it was sewn together shitty because that isn't the case.And that isn't me blaming anyone, it's actually a compliment.
Again, where am i blaming someone.
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just a few posts back as i pointed out you said its a poor quality shirt after you stated why its justified at this price and how great it is. All I'm saying is that the responsibility of what happened to your shirt doesn't come down to poor quality anything it comes down to an ember landing on your shirt and instead of taking it for what it is you basically went on a tirade that was way out of line and apparently feel kiya owes you an apology for you burning your own shirt. None of it makes any sense. It is what it is, and I've said all I need to say.
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just a few posts back as i pointed out you said its a poor quality shirt after you stated why its justified at this price and how great it is. All I'm saying is that the responsibility of what happened to your shirt doesn't come down to poor quality anything it comes down to an ember landing on your shirt and instead of taking it for what it is you basically went on a tirade that was way out of line and apparently feel kiya owes you an apology for you burning your own shirt. None of it makes any sense. It is what it is, and I've said all I need to say.
Jesus, again dude, where did i ask kiya for an apology. Just a simple hey sorry that that happened would be sweet, not a, well you can do that with a real McCoy jacket too. And again, please point out where I blamed someone for burning my shirt. Yes i did say its a poor quality shirt as far as the durability of the fabric after I burnt it so damn easy, not because of the craftmenship.
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All I have to say is hahahaha. The reason Roy's shit is so expensive, is the hype and marketing that SE puts behind him. There are other people doing this shit, way better (ie White Horse Trading Co), but they don't have hype men. One guy sewing a pair of jeans, with one single needle Singer, is worth way more than one guy using 10 machines, but that's not the case. Before bitching, please research and know the products.
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ohighyo, sorry about your shirt. Hope you can find a way to repair it.
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All I have to say is hahahaha. The reason Roy's shit is so expensive, is the hype and marketing that SE puts behind him. There are other people doing this shit, way better (ie White Horse Trading Co), but they don't have hype men. One guy sewing a pair of jeans, with one single needle Singer, is worth way more than one guy using 10 machines, but that's not the case. Before bitching, please research and know the products.
Live and learn
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ohighyo, sorry about your shirt. Hope you can find a way to repair it.
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Thanks!! So….. How do i do that hah!!!!
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All I have to say is hahahaha. The reason Roy's shit is so expensive, is the hype and marketing that SE puts behind him. There are other people doing this shit, way better (ie White Horse Trading Co), but they don't have hype men. One guy sewing a pair of jeans, with one single needle Singer, is worth way more than one guy using 10 machines, but that's not the case. Before bitching, please research and know the products.
Amen…
ROY was cool when he just started sharing his passion - in other words: making jeans and sharing the goos with the people that appreciated the work and all the little details he put into making a pair. iirc the price for a pair of ROY's was like 150USD back then, purchased from his own website.
now ROY is still ROY and the jeans are still the same ROY jeans as back then, just double the price...shit got pretty crazy during the last few months and imo way outta hand.looks like people are buying ROY items no matter what they are or no matter how "high" the prices are...hype is what i like to call that!
not saying that i don't like his stuff or that the quality of his work isn't any good, just saying that the pricing on his items just got way outta control! spending 370USD on a shirt (talking about this particular shirt. too thin and imo it doesn't look that spectacular at all!) isn't really what i'm after when buying quality gear (and i'm not talking about the price since i can't afford it, more like i know how shit started and this is just way too crazy for me to justify such a purchase + the shitty return policy when being a buyer from overseas)...
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I say good for him. It's outta my price range, but if he can sell out almost instantly why not. He works extremely hard to put out a kick ass shirt. Charge a grand if people will still buy it. I won't but some will. It's a one of a kind shirt.
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Demand is elastic and Roy's supply is probably fairly inelastic as long as it's a single man operation, aside from improved efficiency or perhaps compromises in technique to boost output scale. Right now the demand well outpaces the supply. And if you know how to run a retail operation, you price to the demand. Whether it's warranted hype or not, more people know about Roy and want his product, and thus the market can bear a higher price. It's the fiduciary responsibility of producers and businesses to at least be in the same ballpark as the price that the market will bear. That doesn't make anyone a bad person, it makes them a good businessperson…
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…which makes my post on supply and demand hilariously even more off topic than mine usually are
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great…I just wanted to read all the rants and just in the middle of it, all deleted. Bummer
edit: ok, it's just moved. Thanks for letting us know G.!
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I say good for him. It's outta my price range, but if he can sell out almost instantly why not. He works extremely hard to put out a kick ass shirt. Charge a grand if people will still buy it. I won't but some will. It's a one of a kind shirt.
o/course it's good for him and kiya…and tbh. i think these two more than great muchachos are doing more than great (congrats to that btw. R and K
), so the only thing i wanted to say with my post is that i'm not going to buy any of that stuff (well at least not for the prices asked in store atm!) just because i know how things started/what they used to cost...may sound like a shitty excuse to some, but i just can't justify such a purchase. buying 2nd hand is something else...only talking bout full retail here!
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…which makes my post on supply and demand hilariously even more off topic than mine usually are
For the record… the margins on products we sell have never, not even once, been determined based on demand. The margin on a 3sixteen jean is the same percentage as the margin on a Roy shirt or jean. Roy's products have gone up in price since we first started carrying them because of the fabrics he's started using have cost him far more and more importantly the hours of labor have gone way up.
He CAN make a shirt in 45 minutes, a lot of people can. But when he makes a shirt like this new one, it takes up over 2 hours a shirt. When he was first making jeans he was actually able to make them faster than he is now because they were very straightforward, now he's figured out how to "improve" them and add in more details which he feels make the jean "better" in one way or another. In the end, the price has gone up mostly due to the increase of time spent on each garment with a little bit due to the fabric costs.
