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    • toddjcoleyT
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      I remember watching " Mary's bottom line" about a women trying to get textiles made in the uk again and she was paying her staff around £ 6.50 that is around min wage to make fancy underwear that sells in liberty for £30 a pair. Her staff were skilled and most with 30 years experience. Imo £6.50 is to low for a skilled/ qualified worker to be earning in the uk.

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      • SeulS
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        @Giles:

        If I supply the denim and fixings, I can produce  jeans in Angeles for USD12, there is no way that is ethical…

        There goes my faith in Everlane t-shirts, proudly made in LA, USofA…  😞

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        • GilesG
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          @scroogen:

          Argument for minimum wage or a testament to real American efficiency ?  😶

          How many pairs would you have to order to get to 12$/pair

          500

          "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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          • mclaincauseyM
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            That's why there are all these fucking kick starter denim brands proudly made in the USA. L. A. Definitely has a slave labor textile industry going on. A lot of "premium" "high fashion" labels use it for their jeans. Railcar is the exception.

            Think it, be it.

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            • mclaincauseyM
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              We had a sudden and very aggressive storm last night. Felled trees, flash floods, the works.

              Given the probable scale of destruction, it would be in poor taste to complain about the power outage.

              When is the electrical company gonna get their ass in gear and get my fecking power back on?

              Think it, be it.

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              • ChrisC
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                @Giles:

                If I supply the denim and fixings, I can produce  jeans in Angeles for USD12, there is no way that is ethical…

                @Megatron1505:

                Stitch a "crafted in the USA" tag on and sell for $300….... capitalism in action  😢

                That's the business model for True Religion, 7 For All Mankind, Citizen Of Humanity and a dozen other "premium" labels.

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                • toddjcoleyT
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                  is there a way for us to find out this info.how about 3 sixteen? i doubt minster freedom does as they always post things against that. what about japan?it may have already been done, but can we get info / tour of iron hearts opperation so we can help build the story of a product we all strongly support?

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                  • GilesG
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                    Todd, what do you mean by info/tour?  Just want to be sure I know what you are after, so I can do it right. G

                    "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                    • toddjcoleyT
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                      I don’t know IH history or how they manufacture (I haven’t researched it so sorry for that). I saw G write something the other week that they are looking to have there own factory. So do IH do the design work then contract it out (I think flathead do that) or do ih employees make it?

                      I think my biggest personal reason for buying this gear is that it is well made, but with that as I build things for a living and enjoy it and get well paid for it I believe and want the person that makes my clothing to enjoy it and get well paid. It would be nice to see that.

                      I know Mega said that china now has a minimal wage ( I haven’t read his blog and don’t know it all) but I saw on tv “gok wan  made in china” show. He goes to a factory where they make jeans and the employees live on site and don’t really make a living to sustain a lifestyle. That’s what I don’t want to buy.

                      It would be great to have a tour of the IH process from design to manufacture to arrival at IHUK then to me! And hopefully an insight to peoples lives we help fund with our purchases. From what I see it looks like H & G have a good lifestyle and I hope that is spread across the board (I know it wont be even but you get the idea)

                      Sorry for the long post  🙂

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                      • SeulS
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                        Good stuff, Todd.

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                        • mclaincauseyM
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                          That's one reason I buy Japanese. Rightly or not I have faith that sweatshop conditions are unusual there.

                          Think it, be it.

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                          • GilesG
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                            Todd, This may have to wait until November.  On my next Japanese visit, I will be going to Kojima with Winchy to document a lot of this…...

                            "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                            • toddjcoleyT
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                              Giles aint your normal salesman!  😉

                              Cheers

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                              • GilesG
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                                I will talk to H about this next week, but the plan is that we will document pictorially, videographically and aurally (Matt is a sound technician by current trade) the fully process…

                                Haraki's original rough planning
                                The sampling
                                Toms pattern making
                                Weaving
                                Post production processes
                                Jeans making
                                Shirts making
                                T-shirts etc making, dying and silk screening
                                Post sewing process
                                A walk through IH UK HQ

                                G

                                "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                • G
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                                  I had been meaning to ask you this for a while G! Awesome we get to see what goes on behind the scenes

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                                  • toddjcoleyT
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                                    do you need a whipping boy on that trip? ha ha
                                    Sounds like normal giles you have all the bases covered, keep the good work up it is much appreciated!!

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                                    • SeulS
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                                      G: I'm massively looking forward to that!.. Seriously, I know I'm pretty biased, but IH = buy the best, by the best…

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                                      • GilesG
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                                        @toddjcoley:

                                        do you need a whipping boy on that trip? ha ha
                                        Sounds like normal giles you have all the bases covered, keep the good work up it is much appreciated!!

                                        Get your arse to Tokyo when we are there and you're on…..

                                        "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                        • JCMx800J
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                                          Short video from Dec. 2011
                                          http://www.ironheart.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1355.msg128816#msg128816
                                          Union Special machines, skilled people, great fabrics!

                                          Les Paul -> ProCo Rat -> Super HardOn -> JCM800 Low Input
                                          XXX

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                                          • S
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                                            Todd, a little bit about the general history; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Heart_(Brand)
                                            From the front page of the website another video that hides well; http://www.ironheart.co.uk/content/production

                                            Really great questioning :). Giles I'm not sure if you've been following Kyle@TFH's updates on their processes, I think you've covered it off pretty well (and gone further 😉 ), but not a bad comparison. #exciting.

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