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    Giles
    IHUK Crew
    Joined: 22 Sept 2009

    Yes

    "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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      Megatron1505
      見習いボス
      Joined: 10 Jul 2011

      Thats incredible, and as you say surely not ethical. I'm amazed that can happen in the USA, I guess it is the big argument for the minimum wage  :-\

      Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

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        Giles
        IHUK Crew
        Joined: 22 Sept 2009

        I have to believe most of the workers are illegals….

        "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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          scroogen
          Joined: 30 Nov 2011

          Argument for minimum wage or a testament to real American efficiency ?  😶

          How many pairs would you have to order to get to 12$/pair

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            Megatron1505
            見習いボス
            Joined: 10 Jul 2011

            Stitch a "crafted in the USA" tag on and sell for $300….... capitalism in action  😢

            Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

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              toddjcoley
              Joined: 11 Apr 2013

              I remember watching " Mary's bottom line" about a women trying to get textiles made in the uk again and she was paying her staff around £ 6.50 that is around min wage to make fancy underwear that sells in liberty for £30 a pair. Her staff were skilled and most with 30 years experience. Imo £6.50 is to low for a skilled/ qualified worker to be earning in the uk.

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                Seul
                Joined: 24 Nov 2009

                @Giles:

                If I supply the denim and fixings, I can produce  jeans in Angeles for USD12, there is no way that is ethical…

                There goes my faith in Everlane t-shirts, proudly made in LA, USofA…  😞

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                  Giles
                  IHUK Crew
                  Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                  @scroogen:

                  Argument for minimum wage or a testament to real American efficiency ?  😶

                  How many pairs would you have to order to get to 12$/pair

                  500

                  "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                    mclaincausey
                    見習いボス
                    Joined: 12 Apr 2013

                    That's why there are all these fucking kick starter denim brands proudly made in the USA. L. A. Definitely has a slave labor textile industry going on. A lot of "premium" "high fashion" labels use it for their jeans. Railcar is the exception.

                    Think it, be it.

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                      mclaincausey
                      見習いボス
                      Joined: 12 Apr 2013

                      We had a sudden and very aggressive storm last night. Felled trees, flash floods, the works.

                      Given the probable scale of destruction, it would be in poor taste to complain about the power outage.

                      When is the electrical company gonna get their ass in gear and get my fecking power back on?

                      Think it, be it.

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                        Chris
                        Raw and Unwashed
                        Joined: 28 Jun 2010

                        @Giles:

                        If I supply the denim and fixings, I can produce  jeans in Angeles for USD12, there is no way that is ethical…

                        @Megatron1505:

                        Stitch a "crafted in the USA" tag on and sell for $300….... capitalism in action  😢

                        That's the business model for True Religion, 7 For All Mankind, Citizen Of Humanity and a dozen other "premium" labels.

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                          toddjcoley
                          Joined: 11 Apr 2013

                          is there a way for us to find out this info.how about 3 sixteen? i doubt minster freedom does as they always post things against that. what about japan?it may have already been done, but can we get info / tour of iron hearts opperation so we can help build the story of a product we all strongly support?

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                            Giles
                            IHUK Crew
                            Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                            Todd, what do you mean by info/tour?  Just want to be sure I know what you are after, so I can do it right. G

                            "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                              toddjcoley
                              Joined: 11 Apr 2013

                              I don’t know IH history or how they manufacture (I haven’t researched it so sorry for that). I saw G write something the other week that they are looking to have there own factory. So do IH do the design work then contract it out (I think flathead do that) or do ih employees make it?

                              I think my biggest personal reason for buying this gear is that it is well made, but with that as I build things for a living and enjoy it and get well paid for it I believe and want the person that makes my clothing to enjoy it and get well paid. It would be nice to see that.

                              I know Mega said that china now has a minimal wage ( I haven’t read his blog and don’t know it all) but I saw on tv “gok wan  made in china” show. He goes to a factory where they make jeans and the employees live on site and don’t really make a living to sustain a lifestyle. That’s what I don’t want to buy.

                              It would be great to have a tour of the IH process from design to manufacture to arrival at IHUK then to me! And hopefully an insight to peoples lives we help fund with our purchases. From what I see it looks like H & G have a good lifestyle and I hope that is spread across the board (I know it wont be even but you get the idea)

                              Sorry for the long post  🙂

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                                Seul
                                Joined: 24 Nov 2009

                                Good stuff, Todd.

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                                  mclaincausey
                                  見習いボス
                                  Joined: 12 Apr 2013

                                  That's one reason I buy Japanese. Rightly or not I have faith that sweatshop conditions are unusual there.

                                  Think it, be it.

                                  last edited by 22 Jun 2013, 17:01 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                    Giles
                                    IHUK Crew
                                    Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                                    Todd, This may have to wait until November.  On my next Japanese visit, I will be going to Kojima with Winchy to document a lot of this…...

                                    "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

                                    last edited by 22 Jun 2013, 17:05 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                      toddjcoley
                                      Joined: 11 Apr 2013

                                      Giles aint your normal salesman!  😉

                                      Cheers

                                      last edited by 22 Jun 2013, 17:10 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                        Giles
                                        IHUK Crew
                                        Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                                        I will talk to H about this next week, but the plan is that we will document pictorially, videographically and aurally (Matt is a sound technician by current trade) the fully process…

                                        Haraki's original rough planning
                                        The sampling
                                        Toms pattern making
                                        Weaving
                                        Post production processes
                                        Jeans making
                                        Shirts making
                                        T-shirts etc making, dying and silk screening
                                        Post sewing process
                                        A walk through IH UK HQ

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                                        "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

                                        last edited by 22 Jun 2013, 17:30 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                          grandmasterben
                                          Joined: 27 Aug 2011

                                          I had been meaning to ask you this for a while G! Awesome we get to see what goes on behind the scenes

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