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    Finn666
    Joined: 20 Jan 2011

    since we´re posting pics of our naked upper bodies in the tattoo thread, i think it´s ok for me (and you) to show you this one as well…

    pre (214lbs.) and post (202lbs.) photos after my whole30 journey - infos in the post above!

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      derivative666
      Joined: 30 Jan 2011

      Great job!

      "Obstacles are stepping-stones That guide us to our goals"

      "honorable mention to the bearded giant aka derivative666 for being a stand up dude & not changing with the seasons since i've been around these parts" Monday

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        spitfiredealer
        Raw and Unwashed
        Joined: 8 Apr 2013

        Good work there. Quite tempted to try this. Been following a traditional bodybuilding bulk/cut diet for about 10 years. Since i have little desire to be big or on the other hand 'ripped' anymore i am growing tired of the traditional way of eating. Your pics of all the food have got me thinking.

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          mclaincausey
          見習いボス
          Joined: 12 Apr 2013

          Yeah, delicious AND healthy?  No downside there!

          Great work

          Think it, be it.

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            shego
            Joined: 17 Dec 2010

            I'm GF/DF anyway - in an atttempt to suppress my IBS (or whatever is wrong with me) - I do eat GF bread and pasta. Thinking I should try Paleo. Heard mixed things in terms of Paleo and IBS.

            edits; also looked at diets related to FODMAP etc. Honestly open to try something new, but I'm unwilling to eat any carb other than rice  😞

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              Finn666
              Joined: 20 Jan 2011

              thanks a lot gentlemen…

              @mclaincausey:

              Yeah, delicious AND healthy?  No downside there!

              but this right here is the salient point of it all imo…no downsides, it only gets better and better from day to day!

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                jacoavlu
                Joined: 17 Dec 2010

                unless of course you believe the people who say that eating animal products increases your risk of cardiovascular disease, cancer, etc

                I'm not a vegan, just sayin the real truth is hard to know

                seriously, congrats Finn and d666 and all you folks putting in work and making yourselves healthier

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                  Finn666
                  Joined: 20 Jan 2011

                  @jacoavlu:

                  I'm not a vegan, just sayin the real truth is hard to know

                  seriously, congrats Finn and d666 and all you folks putting in work and making yourselves healthier

                  that is, if there even is one 😉

                  thanks mate!

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                    mclaincausey
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                    Joined: 12 Apr 2013

                    Yeah. I think physiologies are too divergent for there to be a single answer to diet.

                    The latest overhyped study against red meat for heart health, impugning L-Carnitine, has already been debunked, as have claims that saturated fat and cholesterol cause heart disease.

                    I maintain that lean animal proteins as part of a balanced diet are good for you.

                    Think it, be it.

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                      jacoavlu
                      Joined: 17 Dec 2010

                      if saturated fat and cholesterol don't matter, why would you need to worry that your animal proteins be lean?

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                        mclaincausey
                        見習いボス
                        Joined: 12 Apr 2013

                        Do you think heart disease is the only malady to be concerned about?

                        Think it, be it.

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                          jacoavlu
                          Joined: 17 Dec 2010

                          oh no of course not, but probably the most significant. for me, surely

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                            mclaincausey
                            見習いボス
                            Joined: 12 Apr 2013

                            Yeah.  My blood is in great shape today, but it wasn't always like that for me.  I grew up in the deep South of the US, and we eat fucking terribly unhealthily down there.  Delicious food that will kill you.  A lifetime of trans-fats, starches, fatty, nitrate-laden meats….  It's no wonder why diabetes, hypertension, morbid obesity, and heart disease reign supreme in that region.  And I have a history of heart disease on both sides of the family.

                            So my blood was in awful shape a few years ago, but since I've started working out and watching what I eat my triglycerides, glucose, HDL, and LDL are really good now.  Watching what I eat has mainly been portion sizes and a sort of modified paleo.  I think the biggest difference-maker for me has been the removal of grains, particularly wheat, and refined sugars from my diet.  I believe eating fish and skinless poultry and other lean proteins such as pastured steak has worked for me, but I definitely respect vegan and vegetarian diets as healthful alternatives, as long as they don't lean too heavily on grains and carbohydrates.

                            There's a cardiologist named Dr William Davis who has two blogs and some associated books that has some interesting things to say about wheat and heart disease.
                            http://www.trackyourplaque.com is about atherosclerosis and not just halting its advance, but reversing it.
                            http://www.wheatbellyblog.com is about the perils of wheat

                            Another interesting article that sums up some recent research on the perils of sugar and its putative link to a host of maladies, including cancer, was published by the Times a while back.
                            http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17Sugar-t.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

                            I'm not a doctor or a nutritionist, but nixing sugar and wheat has been a part of lifestyle changes (it's hard to know how much credit lives there and how much with exercise) that have had dramatic results for my blood and blood pressure.

                            Think it, be it.

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                              jacoavlu
                              Joined: 17 Dec 2010

                              obesity, etc is pretty much everywhere, red state blue state matters little. wheat, sugar, agree, with little exception anything that is highly processed and/or has more than 5 ingredients is probably not good for you

                              which is why paleo has a lot of great features, but I think the debate about animal products and health is still unsettled, and bottom line is there is never a free lunch in nature; everything choice is likely to have some downside

                              for me lately it's been
                              1. way more raw green vegetables (thanks vitamix)
                              2. more whole foods, less processed foods (pretty much anything that comes in a box)
                              3. less animal products

                              trying to get off blood pressure meds, I think I'll get there. ran my first half marathon last weekend

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                                mclaincausey
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                                Joined: 12 Apr 2013

                                Vitamix is great eh?  I am careful about green smoothies due to oxalic acid and stones, but I use Spirulina and some greens in everything.

                                I do think there's an argument for at least some animals in a heart healthy diet, that being fish, the more omega 3 fats the better (unless one is a vegetarian for ideological/ethical reasons). I supplement Dr Sinatra's capsules, which have a sustainable, squid-derived non-fishy tasting "fish" oil with a good EPA/DHA profile and CoQ10. It is targeted at statin-taking heart patients, the idea being to hopefully obviate the need for statins.  I forgot to mention this component of the strategy that I've been using to get my blood in better shape. It's a late addition, but I have been supplementing fish oil for a long time in one form or another and suspect it has a significant role to play among all the other factors I added. I also read good things about cod liver oil.

                                Think it, be it.

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                                  mclaincausey
                                  見習いボス
                                  Joined: 12 Apr 2013

                                  Oh and congrats on the half marathon!

                                  Think it, be it.

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                                    derivative666
                                    Joined: 30 Jan 2011

                                    Paleo/excercise has helped me lose 65lbs so far. This life change has been nothing short of spectacular for me. Getting so heavy was very difficult for me. It was demoralizing and debilitating. I played div 2 college basketball, was semi-pro snowboarder and was always in outstanding shape. I let myself go and was out of control. My life change has got me back in control and given me a second chance. I need to be a positive roll model for Jake.

                                    "Obstacles are stepping-stones That guide us to our goals"

                                    "honorable mention to the bearded giant aka derivative666 for being a stand up dude & not changing with the seasons since i've been around these parts" Monday

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                                      seanocono
                                      Joined: 17 Oct 2012

                                      Congratulations, d666. It's amazing what you've done for yourself and your family. You've demonstrated the power of hard work, perseverance, and discipline. I think you're a role model to people outside of your family, as well.

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                                        Giles
                                        IHUK Crew
                                        Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                                        Amazing D666…

                                        "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                          mclaincausey
                                          見習いボス
                                          Joined: 12 Apr 2013

                                          Seanoco couldn't have said it better, kudos. We only get one vehicle for this crazy ride and there's nothing more rewarding than making some improvements.

                                          Think it, be it.

                                          last edited by 15 Jun 2013, 15:33 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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