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    Jett129
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    @Mizmazzle That’s pretty interesting and I definitely geek out about stuff like that,but with the 888s having a higher rise and I think one more button and bigger thighs than the 666,that the difference would be more than 2 ounces. Are they both the same tag size?

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      Mizmazzle
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      @Jett129 ah! SBGs are a 32 while the ODs are a 33. Interestingly they both measure an exact 33” waist, as this is where I seem to level out with waist stretch. Also both hemmed to a 32”

      I think the extra button and fabric of the higher rise and wider thigh May be at play. But I tell you, the feel of the denim itself seems thicker and heavier.

      We’ve brought science into it. Yet it’s speculation that holds the most “weight” in my mind. The OD fabric is so velvety and drappy.

      In the easy chair with my boots on, melted whiskey in my hand. Could'na been asleep for more than three hours...time to go to work again...

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        sabergirl
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        Has your OD been washed or soaked? That would explain the weight difference, I think. The UHR used to be called 21/23oz from how it beefed up after the first soak/wash.

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          Mizmazzle
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          @sabergirl it has been washed!! That’s a great hypothesis as compared to the UHR. Now I just have to wait 6 months or so to wash the SBG and compare the weights haha. This is the very type of data collection that I find fascinating.

          In the easy chair with my boots on, melted whiskey in my hand. Could'na been asleep for more than three hours...time to go to work again...

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            motojobobo
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            @sabergirl said in Random questions to which you seek an answer:

            Has your OD been washed or soaked? That would explain the weight difference, I think. The UHR used to be called 21/23oz from how it beefed up after the first soak/wash.

            My understanding of the 21/23 oz UHR beefing up is that it occurs on fabric on a ‘per area’ basis. Since your pair of jeans probably shrunk after the wash, I doubt they would become heavier jeans. Nevertheless, a very cool question for the Stubborn Crew.

            The journey is the objective.

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              Jett129
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              @motojobobo I think if you took a square yard of the 21/23 OZ denim and weighed it,before washing it would be 21OZ,but after washing,due to shrinkage you would now need a bigger piece of fabric than you originally started with,and a square yard would now weigh 23OZS. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.

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                neph93
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                @steelworker these are my favourite lapses.

                “Some of those that work forces
                Are the same that burn crosses”

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                  goosehd
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                  Matter can not be created nor destroyed, only changed - The Law of Conservation of Mass.

                  A 21 oz yard of denim will shrink when washed to a density of 23 oz but a smaller area. To have one yard of 23 oz material you will need to start with a bigger 21 oz of material in the beginning as its density increases as it shrinks.

                  I believe @motojobobo and @Jett129 are both correct, if I’m reading their responses correctly.

                  Hopefully my response makes some sense.

                  "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                    Mizmazzle
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                    Perhaps this is oversimplifying the answer, but I know the anniversary UHF was slightly heavier in weight due to the over dying of a light gray. Perhaps the same is true for the OD 21oz denim?

                    In the easy chair with my boots on, melted whiskey in my hand. Could'na been asleep for more than three hours...time to go to work again...

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                      goosehd
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                      @Mizmazzle Is your question: If you have two identical yards of fabric in both weight and density, does it change the weight of one of them if it’s over-dyed?

                      "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                        Mizmazzle
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                        @goosehd essentially. I’ve noticed my new 666 21oz SBGs are noticeably lighter than my year old 888 21oz ODs. Thought it was interesting so I posted here wondering what people thought.

                        In the easy chair with my boots on, melted whiskey in my hand. Could'na been asleep for more than three hours...time to go to work again...

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                          goosehd
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                          @Mizmazzle So you have two different cuts and two different treatments with the only common variable being that the density of the material is 21 oz per yard.

                          So are you asking about the weight difference between the two pairs or a density difference between the two fabrics?

                          "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                            motojobobo
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                            @goosehd said in Random questions to which you seek an answer:

                            Matter can not be created nor destroyed, only changed - The Law of Conservation of Mass.

                            A 21 oz yard of denim will shrink when washed to a density of 23 oz but a smaller area. To have one yard of 23 oz material you will need to start with a bigger 21 oz of material in the beginning as its density increases as it shrinks.

                            I believe @motojobobo and @Jett129 are both correct, if I’m reading their responses correctly.

                            Hopefully my response makes some sense.

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                            The journey is the objective.

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                              Mizmazzle
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                              I was just curious about how the fabric feels heavier with more of a drape on the OD compared to the SBG.

                              In the easy chair with my boots on, melted whiskey in my hand. Could'na been asleep for more than three hours...time to go to work again...

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                                goosehd
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                                @Mizmazzle So you’re making the observation that OD is denser in feel and appearance than SBG, and you’re wondering if anyone else has noticed it?

                                "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                                  neph93
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                                  Denim is the tits. That is all.

                                  “Some of those that work forces
                                  Are the same that burn crosses”

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                                    goosehd
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                                    @neph93 Which ones are you talking about?

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                                    "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                                      Mizmazzle
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                                      It was just supposed to be a fun topic to discuss if others feel the weight of the OD fabric feels heavier than the SBG. My first SBG so I was curious.

                                      In the easy chair with my boots on, melted whiskey in my hand. Could'na been asleep for more than three hours...time to go to work again...

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                                        goosehd
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                                        Ok, I’m checking out on this one…

                                        "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                                          Mizmazzle
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                                          @neph93 I agree 100%!! I just love talking about it in all it’s nuances!!

                                          In the easy chair with my boots on, melted whiskey in my hand. Could'na been asleep for more than three hours...time to go to work again...

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