Random questions to which you seek an answer
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@Jett129 ah! SBGs are a 32 while the ODs are a 33. Interestingly they both measure an exact 33” waist, as this is where I seem to level out with waist stretch. Also both hemmed to a 32”
I think the extra button and fabric of the higher rise and wider thigh May be at play. But I tell you, the feel of the denim itself seems thicker and heavier.
We’ve brought science into it. Yet it’s speculation that holds the most “weight” in my mind. The OD fabric is so velvety and drappy.
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@sabergirl it has been washed!! That’s a great hypothesis as compared to the UHR. Now I just have to wait 6 months or so to wash the SBG and compare the weights haha. This is the very type of data collection that I find fascinating.
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@sabergirl said in Random questions to which you seek an answer:
Has your OD been washed or soaked? That would explain the weight difference, I think. The UHR used to be called 21/23oz from how it beefed up after the first soak/wash.
My understanding of the 21/23 oz UHR beefing up is that it occurs on fabric on a ‘per area’ basis. Since your pair of jeans probably shrunk after the wash, I doubt they would become heavier jeans. Nevertheless, a very cool question for the Stubborn Crew.
The journey is the objective.
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@motojobobo I think if you took a square yard of the 21/23 OZ denim and weighed it,before washing it would be 21OZ,but after washing,due to shrinkage you would now need a bigger piece of fabric than you originally started with,and a square yard would now weigh 23OZS. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.
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@steelworker these are my favourite lapses.
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Matter can not be created nor destroyed, only changed - The Law of Conservation of Mass.
A 21 oz yard of denim will shrink when washed to a density of 23 oz but a smaller area. To have one yard of 23 oz material you will need to start with a bigger 21 oz of material in the beginning as its density increases as it shrinks.
I believe @motojobobo and @Jett129 are both correct, if I’m reading their responses correctly.
Hopefully my response makes some sense.
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Perhaps this is oversimplifying the answer, but I know the anniversary UHF was slightly heavier in weight due to the over dying of a light gray. Perhaps the same is true for the OD 21oz denim?
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@Mizmazzle Is your question: If you have two identical yards of fabric in both weight and density, does it change the weight of one of them if it’s over-dyed?
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@goosehd essentially. I’ve noticed my new 666 21oz SBGs are noticeably lighter than my year old 888 21oz ODs. Thought it was interesting so I posted here wondering what people thought.
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@Mizmazzle So you have two different cuts and two different treatments with the only common variable being that the density of the material is 21 oz per yard.
So are you asking about the weight difference between the two pairs or a density difference between the two fabrics?
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@goosehd said in Random questions to which you seek an answer:
Matter can not be created nor destroyed, only changed - The Law of Conservation of Mass.
A 21 oz yard of denim will shrink when washed to a density of 23 oz but a smaller area. To have one yard of 23 oz material you will need to start with a bigger 21 oz of material in the beginning as its density increases as it shrinks.
I believe @motojobobo and @Jett129 are both correct, if I’m reading their responses correctly.
Hopefully my response makes some sense.
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@Mizmazzle So you’re making the observation that OD is denser in feel and appearance than SBG, and you’re wondering if anyone else has noticed it?
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I have a pair of the OG 777XHS and a pair of the Pronto XHS jeans,and I’d swear that the Prontos are different,ever so slightly lighter than the OG 777s. Who knows what happened the day that each of these denims was woven. It’s like you have 2 kids,exact same DNA,but different as night and day,and both equally great in their own right.
