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  • R
    ribkin
    Joined: 13 Dec 2011

    Sup Fellas.

    What's up with the disparity between Self Edge  measurements, and the measurements on this site? I wanted to order a pair of jeans and I asked them to measure, and they obliged… but the measurements on both sites still don't match up...

    last edited by 27 Feb 2012, 00:50 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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      madmonday
      Raw and Unwashed
      Joined: 13 Oct 2009

      i think there are a few reasons why the measurements won't match up perfectly:

      1. small label with handcrafted goods tend to have small differences in sizes in the same batch of an item.
      2. they use different measuring techniques, check the way the vendor measures items with the way IHUK measures
      3. the measurements published are a average & so no pair is really going to match up to it.

      i would go to the respective website, & see how the item in question is measured.  i would then use the same method to measure my best fitting garment & compare to decide what i can/can not fit into.

      hope this information is helpful & hasn't thrown you off the path

      all the best,

      monday on a Sunday

      head high, middle finger higher

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        ribkin
        Joined: 13 Dec 2011

        I checked the measurement techniques, and I'm aware that no two jeans can be identical.

        But look at the sz 36 666od at Self Edge and compare it to the measurements on this site. Tell me if you don't think something's way off, even accounting for all those things you mentioned.

        last edited by 27 Feb 2012, 01:21 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
        • D
          DougNg
          Joined: 24 Sept 2009

          The waist measurements are pretty close

          The thigh measurements are different because the two vendors use different angles to measure the thigh

          The knee measurements are different because SE measures at 14" from the crotch and IHUK measures 13"

          I know violence is not the answer, I got it wrong on purpose

          last edited by 27 Feb 2012, 01:49 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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            ribkin
            Joined: 13 Dec 2011

            Thanks for clearing that up.

            I assumed the measurements techniques were the same, didn't take the angle into account, nor distance from crotch.

            Finally, my first pair of IH….

            last edited by 27 Feb 2012, 01:57 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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              madmonday
              Raw and Unwashed
              Joined: 13 Oct 2009

              have to love this place.  thanks for responding dougie

              head high, middle finger higher

              last edited by 27 Feb 2012, 02:20 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
              • R
                ribkin
                Joined: 13 Dec 2011

                Thanks Monday,

                sorry for snapping … high anxiety

                last edited by 27 Feb 2012, 02:27 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                  madmonday
                  Raw and Unwashed
                  Joined: 13 Oct 2009

                  no problem, well actually f^ck you very much.  nothing personal i do understand how these measurements can get folks all crazy like & coupled with the amount the goods cost a bit of anxiety is understandable.

                  head high, middle finger higher

                  last edited by 27 Feb 2012, 02:36 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                  • C
                    Chris
                    Raw and Unwashed
                    Joined: 28 Jun 2010

                    True, and nobody seems to measure exactly the same way, making comparisons across sites basically impossible.  Add to that the lack of availability that means the 97% of us outside a couple of major cities can't try pairs on before buying, and you have a recipe for serious stress.

                    last edited by 27 Feb 2012, 04:52 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                    • O
                      Omega Man
                      Haraki san Student
                      Joined: 15 Jul 2010

                      G and Mdme B have put up some info on how they measure things, it is in here:  http://www.ironheart.co.uk/forum/index.php?board=46.0

                      last edited by 27 Feb 2012, 05:09 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                        Chris
                        Raw and Unwashed
                        Joined: 28 Jun 2010

                        Yep, and that's really helpful; pics and substantial explanations of exactly how the measuring is done are great.  I appreciate the time they took to get the pictures and do the write ups for that.  The problem is that Self Edge and Blue In Green each measure their own way, and that's just two stores here in the US.  If you're ordering from The Denim Vault, DC4, another IH retailer or a Rakuten store, there's no telling how many other measuring systems there will be.  Then there's the variations from pair to pair, conversions from inches to centimeters or vice versa, so on and so forth.  Bottom line is that measurements are always going to have some guesswork involved.

                        Even if two people measure the same pair of jeans using the same method, there's still going to be slight differences, based on how tightly each person holds the tape, how tightly the jeans are pulled flat, etc.  Like all the other veterans, I know the main measurements that make a good fit for me, and that eliminates most of the worry, but when I order a pair, I still have to cross my fingers and hope they'll be right when I put them on.

                        last edited by 27 Feb 2012, 08:23 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                          Giles
                          IHUK Crew
                          Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                          I understand and it is a continuing problem.  The reason that we decided to do it the way that Iron Heart in Japan does it (and I suspect that most other Japanese jeans companies do it too, as Haraki and Tom who were/are pattern designers were incredulous that there could be any other method) is that we can now, if we want to, take their measurements and publish before we actually get the products.

                          There is one proviso here, when the Japanese measure front and rear rise, they do not include the waist band, we will continue to include the waist band n our front and rear rise measurements.

                          "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

                          last edited by 27 Feb 2012, 08:32 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                          • C
                            Copenhagen
                            Raw and Unwashed
                            Joined: 12 Apr 2011

                            The blue/black shirt at the new front page, what shirt is that? And is it available somewhere?
                            Best
                            Michael

                            last edited by 27 Feb 2012, 11:45 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                              Giles
                              IHUK Crew
                              Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                              It is an IHSH-20 from a couple of years ago.  Not available new, but not impossible to find on the second hand market….

                              "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

                              last edited by 27 Feb 2012, 11:48 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                              • PETEROCK1P
                                PETEROCK1
                                Joined: 12 Oct 2009

                                G, I know this is a long shot, but is there anyway we can get a glossary of every single Iron Heart piece ever made in numerical order?

                                GEO 2011           IHFFIH  Iron Heart Forever… Forever Iron Heart

                                last edited by 28 Feb 2012, 15:46 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                  Giles
                                  IHUK Crew
                                  Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                                  We are working on something like that at the moment…..

                                  "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

                                  last edited by 28 Feb 2012, 15:49 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                  • zhivagoZ
                                    zhivago
                                    Raw and Unwashed
                                    Joined: 17 Aug 2010

                                    Cool

                                    Zhivago

                                    MM: "we all got to start somewhere"

                                    G: "Never once did he bitch, moan or complain.  He just motivated the team and got on with it"

                                    last edited by 28 Feb 2012, 15:51 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                    • SeulS
                                      Seul
                                      Joined: 24 Nov 2009

                                      Subzero cool…  😘

                                      last edited by 28 Feb 2012, 17:19 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                      • J-IVJ
                                        J-IV
                                        啓蒙家
                                        Joined: 19 Oct 2011

                                        That's awesome! Can't wait to see it.

                                        I'm as ugly as you

                                        last edited by 28 Feb 2012, 17:49 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                        • J
                                          jacoavlu
                                          Joined: 17 Dec 2010

                                          who's running the IH twitter acct?

                                          last edited by 29 Feb 2012, 12:41 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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