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    madmonday
    Raw and Unwashed
    Joined: 13 Oct 2009

    why can't more companies do belt loop placement the way 3sixteen does?  i love the way they do belt loops, holds up your jeans & looks great doing it.

    i know i'm odd, but it is just a really great design.

    head high, middle finger higher

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      Finn666
      Joined: 20 Jan 2011

      @madmonday:

      why can't more companies do belt loop placement the way 3sixteen does?  i love the way they do belt loops, holds up your jeans & looks great doing it.

      i know i'm odd, but it is just a really great design.

      pics?…

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        Giles
        IHUK Crew
        Joined: 22 Sept 2009

        @madmonday:

        why can't more companies do belt loop placement the way 3sixteen does?  i love the way they do belt loops, holds up your jeans & looks great doing it.

        i know i'm odd, but it is just a really great design.

        I think it is a really personal thing, because I for one really dont like it…...

        "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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          madmonday
          Raw and Unwashed
          Joined: 13 Oct 2009

          image for finn, & cause it's rude to talk about something without giving some sort of point of reference:

          @madmonday:

          my favorite feature of 3sixteen jeans, the placement of the belt loops & the way they are sewn in

          pure class & much less crack

          we agree to disagree on this one G$

          head high, middle finger higher

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            Giles
            IHUK Crew
            Joined: 22 Sept 2009

            We do….

            "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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              madmonday
              Raw and Unwashed
              Joined: 13 Oct 2009

              what is with the love of the heavier weight denim?  i know it's funny hearing that coming from an Iron Heart junkie like myself.  . . but still.

              i can see for myself i am a quality & design junkie.  that is why i am disappointed with so many non Iron Heart purchases, the weight of the denim & the way they are able to make it so comfortable & breathable is just art to me  😠

              head high, middle finger higher

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                GimpKid
                Joined: 20 Jul 2010

                It's probably just the mindset of this forum. It's like going to an Apple Store and looking for a PC nerd.

                Although I've never handled a pair, the heavy weight denim of other brands (sammies, pbj, whatever) do not appeal to me at all. 18-19oz seems to be the threshold, and after that the other brands just add weight for weight's sake. Wearability and functionality are an after thought. I think Haraki approaches the problem from the opposite side, with functionality as the priority.

                Just my observation, and pure speculation.

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                  shutoko
                  Joined: 12 Jan 2011

                  Anyone have pictures of Haraki-san's 'main Harley'? He posted some on his blog – looks like a rigid frame big twin?

                  http://shin3155.blog54.fc2.com/blog-entry-1021.html
                  http://shin3155.blog54.fc2.com/blog-entry-1019.html

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                    Giles
                    IHUK Crew
                    Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                    @GimpKid:

                    Although I've never handled a pair, the heavy weight denim of other brands (sammies, pbj, whatever) do not appeal to me at all. 18-19oz seems to be the threshold, and after that the other brands just add weight for weight's sake. Wearability and functionality are an after thought. I think Haraki approaches the problem from the opposite side, with functionality as the priority.

                    Just my observation, and pure speculation.

                    I asked Haraki once, what he thought of the Sammy 21oz denim.  He gave me a withering look and said "I dont care, I dont play the heavy ounce game, I design for function and the weight follows from that".

                    Admittedly, I derailed that with the 25oz, but again this is a denim that has been designed from the ground up, it is not just the 21oz with a bulkier weft…

                    "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                      Giles
                      IHUK Crew
                      Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                      @shutoko:

                      Anyone have pictures of Haraki-san's 'main Harley'? He posted some on his blog – looks like a rigid frame big twin?

                      This was it in May 2009…

                      "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                        jimmy
                        Joined: 17 Dec 2010

                        The weight of it does nothing for me. I love IH purely on then innovation of approach to textile and "family" like branding approach. To be completely honest for me IH is still very young and it still has a lot of growth in construction and from the short time I've been here I already see it is always improving.

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                          madmonday
                          Raw and Unwashed
                          Joined: 13 Oct 2009

                          i agree with your views jimmy.

                          where are the red sox fans, must be a hard month.

                          head high, middle finger higher

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                          • Megatron1505M
                            Megatron1505
                            見習いボス
                            Joined: 10 Jul 2011

                            Speaking as a guy who, up until earlier this year, was a confirmed Samurai wearer and would wear nothing else, I see the heavyweight denim of the two companies like this…

                            Samurai go for flair over function, some of their denim is truly beautiful, and they are great at adding the bells and whistles (left hand twill, coloured selvedge, patterned pocket bags, antique hardwear etc...), but they sacrifice function. They insistence on using 100% cotton thread can make their heavier jeans suffer from premature crotch blow out along the seam, and pockets that get shredded relatively quickly. However, they are now making moves to address this, and the functionality of their jeans is improving.

                            My perception of Iron Heart (prior to owning any) was that the jeans were amazingly constructed, but not as aesthetically pleasing as Samurai. Obviously, I now feel differently having owned a fair amount of IH products, and fully appreciate the more subtle beauty over the more obvious (and occasionally obnoxious) detailing of some of the Samurai collection.

                            I still love both companies, but after seeing, feeling and experiencing so much Iron Heart product, and meeting the people involved, who clearly have an enormous passion and knowledge for what they do, I do have more love for Iron Heart.

                            Having said that, I would still like to be buried in my Jin denim jacket, with my IHSH-33, my Busters and my Whites  😉

                            Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

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                              madmonday
                              Raw and Unwashed
                              Joined: 13 Oct 2009

                              hey mega, thanks for the honest take on both companies & their takes on "heavy" denim.

                              head high, middle finger higher

                              last edited by 29 Sept 2011, 16:47 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                              • Megatron1505M
                                Megatron1505
                                見習いボス
                                Joined: 10 Jul 2011

                                No problem, Like I say they are both great brands at the absolute top of the tree. Iron Heart simply has better quality, better design, and (corny as it sounds) is made with more love in my opinion.

                                Samurai's diversity is both their strength and their weakness, alot of great products, alot of not so great products.

                                Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

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                                • SeulS
                                  Seul
                                  Joined: 24 Nov 2009

                                  Mega: couldn't 've said it better.

                                  last edited by 29 Sept 2011, 17:41 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                    madmonday
                                    Raw and Unwashed
                                    Joined: 13 Oct 2009

                                    alot of folks have been hinting at this recently (in some private & public conversations) so I'll just say it & get it out in the open public forum:

                                    "Iron Heart's diversity is both their strength and their weakness, alot of great products, a few not so great products."

                                    any thoughts  😠 😉 😞

                                    head high, middle finger higher

                                    last edited by 29 Sept 2011, 17:51 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                    • SeulS
                                      Seul
                                      Joined: 24 Nov 2009

                                      Not so great products as in nowt for everyone, but still true to the IH/ workwear ethic… I mean: they still make sense… Can't say the same of Samurai... Some really weird stuff out there...

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                                        madmonday
                                        Raw and Unwashed
                                        Joined: 13 Oct 2009

                                        not even talking about any other brand at the moment, but i will say i have had questions about the growth of the brand & the direction they are/aren't going in.  do all the new(er) products make sense? i can't really say that they do. one example is those stripped tees. they look good & i might even have one or two in my closet, but you couldn't have told me Iron Heart would be making that sort of product.

                                        i'm pretty sure when IH first started making flannels some of their first followers said wtf, & either grew to love the product or said they aren't looking for that from the brand.  i was just curious to see what thoughts, if any folks have.

                                        just conversation is all  😠

                                        head high, middle finger higher

                                        last edited by 29 Sept 2011, 18:10 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                          Omega Man
                                          Haraki san Student
                                          Joined: 15 Jul 2010

                                          Of course, there are things I just won't buy.  But that's just me and my wallet speaking  ::). I think Haraki-san realizes that we can't be all things to all people.  As long as IH sticks to its ethos, I think we are ok.

                                          last edited by 29 Sept 2011, 18:14 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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