Random questions to which you seek an answer
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why can't more companies do belt loop placement the way 3sixteen does? i love the way they do belt loops, holds up your jeans & looks great doing it.
i know i'm odd, but it is just a really great design.
pics?…
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why can't more companies do belt loop placement the way 3sixteen does? i love the way they do belt loops, holds up your jeans & looks great doing it.
i know i'm odd, but it is just a really great design.
I think it is a really personal thing, because I for one really dont like it…...
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image for finn, & cause it's rude to talk about something without giving some sort of point of reference:
my favorite feature of 3sixteen jeans, the placement of the belt loops & the way they are sewn in
pure class & much less crack
we agree to disagree on this one G$
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what is with the love of the heavier weight denim? i know it's funny hearing that coming from an Iron Heart junkie like myself. . . but still.
i can see for myself i am a quality & design junkie. that is why i am disappointed with so many non Iron Heart purchases, the weight of the denim & the way they are able to make it so comfortable & breathable is just art to me
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It's probably just the mindset of this forum. It's like going to an Apple Store and looking for a PC nerd.
Although I've never handled a pair, the heavy weight denim of other brands (sammies, pbj, whatever) do not appeal to me at all. 18-19oz seems to be the threshold, and after that the other brands just add weight for weight's sake. Wearability and functionality are an after thought. I think Haraki approaches the problem from the opposite side, with functionality as the priority.
Just my observation, and pure speculation.
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Anyone have pictures of Haraki-san's 'main Harley'? He posted some on his blog – looks like a rigid frame big twin?
http://shin3155.blog54.fc2.com/blog-entry-1021.html
http://shin3155.blog54.fc2.com/blog-entry-1019.html -
Although I've never handled a pair, the heavy weight denim of other brands (sammies, pbj, whatever) do not appeal to me at all. 18-19oz seems to be the threshold, and after that the other brands just add weight for weight's sake. Wearability and functionality are an after thought. I think Haraki approaches the problem from the opposite side, with functionality as the priority.
Just my observation, and pure speculation.
I asked Haraki once, what he thought of the Sammy 21oz denim. He gave me a withering look and said "I dont care, I dont play the heavy ounce game, I design for function and the weight follows from that".
Admittedly, I derailed that with the 25oz, but again this is a denim that has been designed from the ground up, it is not just the 21oz with a bulkier weft…
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The weight of it does nothing for me. I love IH purely on then innovation of approach to textile and "family" like branding approach. To be completely honest for me IH is still very young and it still has a lot of growth in construction and from the short time I've been here I already see it is always improving.
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i agree with your views jimmy.
where are the red sox fans, must be a hard month.
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Speaking as a guy who, up until earlier this year, was a confirmed Samurai wearer and would wear nothing else, I see the heavyweight denim of the two companies like this…
Samurai go for flair over function, some of their denim is truly beautiful, and they are great at adding the bells and whistles (left hand twill, coloured selvedge, patterned pocket bags, antique hardwear etc...), but they sacrifice function. They insistence on using 100% cotton thread can make their heavier jeans suffer from premature crotch blow out along the seam, and pockets that get shredded relatively quickly. However, they are now making moves to address this, and the functionality of their jeans is improving.
My perception of Iron Heart (prior to owning any) was that the jeans were amazingly constructed, but not as aesthetically pleasing as Samurai. Obviously, I now feel differently having owned a fair amount of IH products, and fully appreciate the more subtle beauty over the more obvious (and occasionally obnoxious) detailing of some of the Samurai collection.
I still love both companies, but after seeing, feeling and experiencing so much Iron Heart product, and meeting the people involved, who clearly have an enormous passion and knowledge for what they do, I do have more love for Iron Heart.
Having said that, I would still like to be buried in my Jin denim jacket, with my IHSH-33, my Busters and my Whites
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hey mega, thanks for the honest take on both companies & their takes on "heavy" denim.
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No problem, Like I say they are both great brands at the absolute top of the tree. Iron Heart simply has better quality, better design, and (corny as it sounds) is made with more love in my opinion.
Samurai's diversity is both their strength and their weakness, alot of great products, alot of not so great products.
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alot of folks have been hinting at this recently (in some private & public conversations) so I'll just say it & get it out in the open public forum:
"Iron Heart's diversity is both their strength and their weakness, alot of great products, a few not so great products."
any thoughts
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not even talking about any other brand at the moment, but i will say i have had questions about the growth of the brand & the direction they are/aren't going in. do all the new(er) products make sense? i can't really say that they do. one example is those stripped tees. they look good & i might even have one or two in my closet, but you couldn't have told me Iron Heart would be making that sort of product.
i'm pretty sure when IH first started making flannels some of their first followers said wtf, & either grew to love the product or said they aren't looking for that from the brand. i was just curious to see what thoughts, if any folks have.
just conversation is all
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Of course, there are things I just won't buy. But that's just me and my wallet speaking ::). I think Haraki-san realizes that we can't be all things to all people. As long as IH sticks to its ethos, I think we are ok.
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We have to remember that IH is a Japanese company. Haraki dreams up stuff that will appeal primarily to his market. 90% of his customers in Japan are Harley riders, the whole scene is completely different from what most of us are used to.
1) A lot of the stuff that you see only available over here is instigated by me (and you sometimes) where I think we have a gap in te western market.
2) Haraki does listen to what I need and will modify IF he agrees with it
3) In the early days of our relationship he refused to make something that I knew would sell well, but it just did not fit his aesthetic
4) When we get Triple Works off the ground again you will see a more rational approach to how we brand. For instance, the Great White and possibly the Big Blue would have been branded Triple Works….
