Coronavirus (Covid-19) Discussion
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The UK Government finally announced what the profession have known for sometime, that social distancing measures will be in place for 12 months or more. The UK and the US are in an ideological war that some of our neighbours in Europe and Asia have not entertained, and have therefore done so much better jobs at making progress.
One of our local acute hospitals has approx 300 covid 19 patients, and approx 1500 general admissions. The A&E dept has started to see more people arriving as the result of stupid, alcohol induced, accidents at home. Way to go us Brits. So proud.
I overheard 2 acute hospital nurses talking at school drop off yesterday, one ssid 'the trust has to start telling the truth, it's not as bad as they're reporting, we've always been fine for PPE'.
The reported 'having to reuse' PPE was also a statement issued by South Essex hospital trusts, and was taken out of context by national press. The comments were an observation made when a senior manager was asked what they would do if they ran out of PPE. They responded 'we'd have to wash and reuse it', not that 'we are washing and reusing it'.
The long term health and economic affects of an extended lock down will far exceed the number of short term, but high number of deaths.
Care homes aren't reporting deaths correctly when they are reporting to The Care Quality Commission either, they are often notifying that residents have died of covid 19 before it has been confirmed.
I don't think that this misinformation is going to stop, or the measures eased or stopped until the press, business, and the public apply pressure on Government. This will devestate a whole generation, the socioeconomic impact is immense and will be felt long after we forget about covid 19.
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I understand how Hospitals have over prepared for this, and appreciate their response.
I glanced at the USC / Stanford study based on 300 / 3500 approx. respondents The final statement is. "Maybe the good news is that the fatality rate is lower than what we thought it would be," Sood said.
He added, however, that this shouldn't be the only number that the county focuses on. The study's finding that 4% of the county's population has been infected suggests that "we are very early in the epidemic and many more people in Los Angeles County could potentially be infected."
"And as the number of infections arise, so will the number of deaths, the number of hospitalizations and the number of ICU admissions," Sood said.South Korea and The US had they're first Corvid- 19 patient the same day. South Korea to this day has 238 deaths, compared to 47,750 in the US, in 2 months.
Today UPS arrived with some packages along with the IHJ-82-IND. The driver was sweaty, no face mask or gloves, demanded I sign his pad, had all packages against his sweaty chest, and then passed them to me. I was cooking dinner, went to my room, removed my clothes took a shower, dinner was a failure. All packages are strewn on the front porch till I deal with it tomorrow.
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@ROman that's unacceptable. Our postal staff aren't wearing masks, but they don't require signatures now, and every courier I've had uses virtual signatures. I hope you keep safe. I'd say that UPS warrants a complaint, if you can even get a response at the moment.
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USPS workers all wear masks and are required to observe/practice social distancing. UPS drivers apparently are not because I have not seen any wearing masks/gloves. Don’t know about FedEx
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My UPS guy doesn't even come close for me to sign anything anymore.
He just kinds of tosses the package on my doormat then high tails it outta there.
Good thing is that my packages have all been from IH so no chance of any damage:) -
The UK Government finally announced what the profession have known for sometime, that social distancing measures will be in place for 12 months or more.
I really think this has been apparent for some time at a global level. 12-18 months minimum for a vaccine and no surety that infection gives immunity. The prognosis i Norway is a yo-yo process of tightening and loosening different measures with the intensjon of allowing society to function as normally as possible, while also limiting infection rates and pressure on the health service.
I’m also really unsure based on your post yesterday evening, what it is you are saying…. that the British epidemic is not serious? That the NHS is fine? That measures are not necessary?
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Just got my IH t-shirts and the UPS guy signed for me and stayed >1m away from me.
I believe we'll only know how well each country has done when we're able to compare # COVID deaths-per-million. Even then, it will be dirty because some ascribing a death to COVID isn't that easy and because different countries have completely different population density. Still, it seems that S. Korea has done very, very well. On the other hand, I'm not convinced US, UK, France, Italy, and Spain will look that different.
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Update today from our local (large) acute hospital, capacity has dropped from 50% to 42%. Only 21% of admissions are ICU covid 19.
Interestingly there has been a 20% increase in admissions due to road traffic accidents. People are getting restless.
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@neph93 I can only speak for the East Anglia and South East Essex areas, but national data outside of the large city epicentres report similar things.
Reporting is generally from the large city hospitals. I understand that this is where the greatest risk and impact are, but the majority of people in the UK live in provincial towns, not the cities.
Essex has a population of 1.5 million, so significantly less than Greater London. Obviously the population there are at greater risks.
UK covid 19 'related' deaths are at just under 20,000 as of 22 April. Apparently that hasn't counted care home deaths, when in actual fact it does, there is just a 5 day approx delay in reporting.
I am currently writing deprivation of liberty guidance for local care homes, and need to be very objective. I don't tske the current situation lightly, but data is being reported irresponsibly either a) because the press don't quite understand the picture on the ground, or b) there is intent in doing so
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Unfortunately for the residents of the state of Georgia they are a day away from being part of an experiment in what happens when you re-open business/get on with daily life much too soon. The state is effectively going back to business as usual starting tomorrow with restaurants and bars opening by Monday. Highly doubt the results will be pretty.
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I wonder if many businesses and residents are going to go back to “normal” in Georgia, though? It’s all well and good for them to give people permission to get back out there, but it means nothing if almost everyone still stays home. I’m hoping that these early adopter places (of whom my state of N.C. is a neighbor) will show some common sense even if their governments are trying to experiment on them. And for those idiots that are hell-bent on endangering themselves and others, I hope the damage they do is limited mostly to each other.
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This article is worth reading. Fwiw, even without mass testing I believe large swaths of the world population have already been infected, especially with everyone in the medical community agreeing how contagious covid 19 is. This goes back to the USC and Stanford study about infection rates. If local governments eventually get up and running with mass testing I wouldn’t be surprised if most people test positive. We’re already seeing the virus peak in certain cities, so it’s possible these places have achieved herd immunity.
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General points regarding the content of this thread that all who use it should consider:
There is quite a lot of speculation going on on this thread at times. Some of it is based on facts, some of it on hearsay, some of it on sources both solid and dubious. At the start of all this, we asked for people not to do that, for the obvious reason that it could be unhelpful to peoples understanding of the situation and contribute to the spread of false information.
Speculation and repeating hearsay is not an uncommon thing to do at a time like this. Wishful thinking or anxious negativity are also natural responses to an often distressing local and global situation. I would ask everyone to keep their discussion of the topic to known, verifiable facts. If you speculate please be clear that you are doing so and on which basis. Try not to let wishful thinking, nor anxiety colour comments. Please rely only on the best scientific, governmental or journalistic sources. It will improve the quality of debate and help everyones understanding of the situation, while also helping to quell the anxiety I'm sure many of us feel at times.
Thanks for reading.
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@neph93 I completely agree. Given the more lighthearted threads such as 'how are you self isolating today' I would rather this particular thread be disabled. I do value the ability for forum members to share their global experiences of covid-19 measures in their respective countries.
I'm not required to sign the official secrets act agreement, but I have friends who have. I am very very careful not to repeat what they have told me here.
I can speak about local, regional, and in some instances nationally as my work, and my wife's work give us access to high level information. I try not to be subjective, speculative, or misleading. That can appear counterintuitive to some though as what is generally reported by the press is either a few days behind the discussions we have with government agencies, or simply speculative.
I also have to be mindful of professional conduct as I am required to register with a professional regulator, as no doubt you are.
It can be very frustrating for key workers who have access to different information than the rest of the general public when we hear the wider debate.
As a final note, I would say that the intelligence generally exhibited by IH forum members is higher than the general populace, which makes this a safer, more stimulating place to have these debates. Maybe it's because we are all obsessive gals and guys that have a passion for a deeper level of knowledge and understanding of the things we enjoy.
Keep well folks, and keep your spirits up. People need you.
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So you mean quoting the POTUS when he said injecting yourself with disinfectant may kill COVID is maybe not a good idea?*
*Yes he said that. No you should not do that.
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So you mean quoting the POTUS when he said injecting yourself with disinfectant may kill COVID is maybe not a good idea?*
*Yes he said that. No you should not do that.
When I wrote the bit about relying on governmental sources I was careful to qualify that with the word «best». That may have been a result of some comments made by certain prominent world leaders recently.
