@Cheddar_threads : Hey man, not IH crew, but to try to help you finding what the stains might come from, I must say I'm not sure it's from the leather.
I did the same as you by forgetting the strap for my first wash, but basically the only result was that the leather strap was completely dry. Would be strange that leather would do this since all jeans patch are leather.
Not sure how you got this though...but I would first try to re-wash it simply if not done already
I still haven't any denim shirt, not even a black shirt, and am also a CPO virgin.
This might be the one I choose to come out of this uncomfortable situation 
@CosmoSix5 : The fabric is also a bit too "messy" for my taste if I understand correctly what you mean. While most chinos I have are mostly more smooth on the exterior surface, here it's more prone to some kind of wrinkling.
Not sure if it makes sense but I'm feeling like the smooth side is on the inside 
they really glide when I put those on 
I think you made the best out of it with the shortest possible hemming. I did mine a little too long still which accentuate this effect of wrinkling imo.
But anyway, taste and all....
X-posting with the IHSH-420-PIN thread since there isn't much picture material for this one.
Thx to @Boit and @Travis2375 I also ordered this one and am very glad I did. I know all the hype seemed focused on the Hickory, that I also bought, but I'm starting to think I might low key prefer this one. The hickory is more subtle than this one, and I suppose then I'm not such a subtle guy
One remark since the tropical weather where I am made me notice...while the fabric is very light and p-e-r-f-e-c-t when it's 23-22C°, it's not imo that breathable when humidity is high. Just to add to the debate....
The picture with the 21oz was done pretty fast with the heat 
Will the stream be recorded ? I probably won't be able to make it live 
@discobeard Hey man, no worries, for once I can maybe help
I took a 33 with these (this one falls on 33,4), I basically sized like I would have for the 21oz since it looked similar and also thanks to IHUK info.
I'd agree with Freeman who answer my questions just some post above that the fabric is a little more rigid. For the waist stretch that could be less we should trust him also since he has worn his jeans for a year straight
But imo this jeans needs to be sized similarly to the 21oz. I did not wear it much since it's too hot for the moment, but the heaviness/suppleness feels the same.
Take into account that the waist could stretch less than 1 inch as pointed out by the IH crew.
For reference I'm 1m80 and now 72-73kg approx.
@Mizmazzle Well same chest size as me basically, so if I want to wear this over sweats for ex., which I might a lot because of the weather where I live, the slightly larger P2P might do the trick.
Might be a bit large over a T but ok, nothing's never perfect.
Will wait for the other measurements from IHG to decide.
Thanks again man for the efforts, I hope I can help you or someone else later down the road 
@Shane-B Hey Shane,
I've just sent an email a few minutes ago in response to Axel to whom I talked to this afternoon.
Thank you guys for all the help 
@Mizmazzle said in IHSB-BB-NAT - Natural Horsehide Jacket - The Bareback:
UHFs can fit under it but are very restricted so I almost never wear it that way
Do you by any chance know (and want to share 
) your chest size ?
I was almost certain I could not fit in the "M" (especially sleeves that would be too short) but when I look at your pictures the sleeves seems quite long although they are only 24". The ones from the "M" at IH Germany are at 25.19"
@Mizmazzle Thx man for the detailed answer !
In the meantime I had contacted IH Germany, and indeed the charts measurements would have been ideal for me, but Axel was kind enough to measure the 2 "L" they have in stock, and P2P was 60,5cm (23,8189 inches), as for the only "M" it was 58,5cm (23,0315 inches) which is way to big for me sadly 
Real bummer since I had really been drooling at all the pictures you did post here on this thread; always wanted a very light brown leather jacket (all brown jacket are mostly too dark for my taste). Had also being eyeing IHSB-TGN-NAT, but the last "M" that would have fitted me is also sold 
Not sure I'm going to like the new leather from the pictures I saw but never say never
I guess this is fate, I will stash the money away in the hope that something from the coming fall/winter collection blows my mind, which let's be honest, is very likely to happen
@Mizmazzle : Hey man, sorry to tag you, but I wanted to ask you...
Regarding sizing of this jacket, how would say it compares to let's say the 21oz indigo type III jacket ? (if you have it) Is it comparable ?
I've a hard time imagining how thick the fabric would be on this one, and what needs to be accounted for against the measurement charts, especially since I don't know how thick the lining is.
@Alex Thx for the answer I'll shoot them an email and report here for the rest of the forum
@Bailey : Thx for the info !
But technicalities aside, is the batch from Germany already with this new leather ? Or still with the old one ? Just for clarification, sorry if I'm dense 
Description on IH Germany still says "Italian Natural Horsehide 1,3 mm", but not sure what "Blattwerk" refers to (brand or type leather).
Yeah saw that too, and was also wondering too if the leather is still the one so praised by @Mizmazzle or if it's already another one...
Wallet getting itchy
Let's say one man is daring enough to try to wear and keep this shinny stuff white .....and since fabric looks to be bleached anyway, do you guys think harsher product can be used in case of spoiling ? Since cold wash seems to still be the recommendation here.
Not sure many people got this one, but if there are any feedback, shoot....I read all other model's thread for this white denim and found very little useful info, except that it does not stretch much
@Niney Thanks man
Btw for me the concerns about sleeves is more that they are often too short
I swear I have some chimpanzee gene left in me
I like the collar "beefy" like this, but I get what you say... for me it's when I try to put a jacket with this shirt; there is some weird collar competition going on
