Random questions to which you seek an answer
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I hope people don't get sick of my sizing questions. I bought my first IH shirt less than a month ago and I am eyeing up my second one. I would like to get a 5.5oz Selvedge Chambray Short Sleeved Work Shirt - Indigo Overdyed Black. Most of my shirts are medium, which held true for my first IH shirt. My measurements are p2p of 21.5 and waist of 20.5. My issue is the medium shows measurements of p2p = 20.9 and waist of 20.4 while the large shows p2p = 21.5 and waist of 21. The waist is almost perfect for the medium and the P2P is perfect for the large. Any idea which I should go with?
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@JasonT The best thing to do when making a purchase is to put a note in the comments about your concern and the guys at the shop will try to accommodate your request.
You could also email them in advance and ask for assistance regarding sizing issues and questions. Email: shop@ironheart.co.uk
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@JasonT I completely agree with @goosehd. Size variation might mean there’s a shirt with perfect measurements for you.
My only other thought is that you might end up not wearing the shirt much if it’s constricted around the chest, but you will probably be able to live with a bit of extra room at the waist.
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So I’m just starting my first pair of SBG 666 21oz. I was doing a side by side weight comparison vs. my 21oz 888 od. By hand, the od feel a noticiable amount heavier. Don’t have a scale. I suspect the OD makes them a bit heavier, perhaps the slightly fuller cut of the 888 adds to the mass. Thought I’d see what the great minds had to say on the matter.
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@Mizmazzle Just weigh yourself wearing one pair then switch to the other,with everything else staying constant.
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@Jett129 got my hands on a scale. 21oz OD weighing in at 2lb 4oz while the 21oz SBG coming in at 2lb 2oz.
So 2 ounce weight difference. I found it interesting the OD felt noticeably heartier. Love the velvety weight of the OD. Course the SBG is still new. Hasn’t picked up any dirt and oil yet. Could change the hand feel in time.
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@Mizmazzle That’s pretty interesting and I definitely geek out about stuff like that,but with the 888s having a higher rise and I think one more button and bigger thighs than the 666,that the difference would be more than 2 ounces. Are they both the same tag size?
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@Jett129 ah! SBGs are a 32 while the ODs are a 33. Interestingly they both measure an exact 33” waist, as this is where I seem to level out with waist stretch. Also both hemmed to a 32”
I think the extra button and fabric of the higher rise and wider thigh May be at play. But I tell you, the feel of the denim itself seems thicker and heavier.
We’ve brought science into it. Yet it’s speculation that holds the most “weight” in my mind. The OD fabric is so velvety and drappy.
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@sabergirl it has been washed!! That’s a great hypothesis as compared to the UHR. Now I just have to wait 6 months or so to wash the SBG and compare the weights haha. This is the very type of data collection that I find fascinating.
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@sabergirl said in Random questions to which you seek an answer:
Has your OD been washed or soaked? That would explain the weight difference, I think. The UHR used to be called 21/23oz from how it beefed up after the first soak/wash.
My understanding of the 21/23 oz UHR beefing up is that it occurs on fabric on a ‘per area’ basis. Since your pair of jeans probably shrunk after the wash, I doubt they would become heavier jeans. Nevertheless, a very cool question for the Stubborn Crew.
The journey is the objective.
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@motojobobo I think if you took a square yard of the 21/23 OZ denim and weighed it,before washing it would be 21OZ,but after washing,due to shrinkage you would now need a bigger piece of fabric than you originally started with,and a square yard would now weigh 23OZS. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.
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@steelworker these are my favourite lapses.
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Matter can not be created nor destroyed, only changed - The Law of Conservation of Mass.
A 21 oz yard of denim will shrink when washed to a density of 23 oz but a smaller area. To have one yard of 23 oz material you will need to start with a bigger 21 oz of material in the beginning as its density increases as it shrinks.
I believe @motojobobo and @Jett129 are both correct, if I’m reading their responses correctly.
Hopefully my response makes some sense.
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Perhaps this is oversimplifying the answer, but I know the anniversary UHF was slightly heavier in weight due to the over dying of a light gray. Perhaps the same is true for the OD 21oz denim?
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@Mizmazzle Is your question: If you have two identical yards of fabric in both weight and density, does it change the weight of one of them if it’s over-dyed?
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@goosehd essentially. I’ve noticed my new 666 21oz SBGs are noticeably lighter than my year old 888 21oz ODs. Thought it was interesting so I posted here wondering what people thought.
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@Mizmazzle So you have two different cuts and two different treatments with the only common variable being that the density of the material is 21 oz per yard.
So are you asking about the weight difference between the two pairs or a density difference between the two fabrics?
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@goosehd said in Random questions to which you seek an answer:
Matter can not be created nor destroyed, only changed - The Law of Conservation of Mass.
A 21 oz yard of denim will shrink when washed to a density of 23 oz but a smaller area. To have one yard of 23 oz material you will need to start with a bigger 21 oz of material in the beginning as its density increases as it shrinks.
I believe @motojobobo and @Jett129 are both correct, if I’m reading their responses correctly.
Hopefully my response makes some sense.
