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    • Matty123M
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      @Giles:

      It's found all over the world.  Lots of swastikas are used in Native American jewellery and it is used a lot in Japan.  Just because it was appropriated by a regime, does not mean it has to stop being used by peoples who have used it for millennia….

      https://nativeamericanjewelrytips.wordpress.com/2010/06/10/native-american-symbol-whirling-log-swastika/

      https://www.japantimes.co.jp/community/2016/02/10/voices/educate-people-keep-manji-卍-japans-maps/#.WoEmAJPFIWo

      Thanks for the information Giles

      Maybe so. Maybe not

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        Aha! The age-old discovery of swastikas on culturally appropriated jewelry.  The question is, @Matty123, are you willing to rock a symbol that for many is viscerally upsetting?  I personally am not, but I also can't bring myself to try and argue that it's only a signifier of nazism.  I can't ever reclaim that symbol or have a good vibes feeling from it.  But, it was never part of my cultural heritage to begin with.  Except for the way the bad influenced the lives of my Jewish ancestors.

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        • Matty123M
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          I grew up with many relatives and close friends who are jewish. and i cant reconcile that symbol. IMO sometimes some people just ruin some things for everyone… no coming back for me.

          Maybe so. Maybe not

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          • madmondayM
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            can totally relate to apprehension to a symbol that has a long and storied history.

            i feel the same way about (burning) crosses and the United States flag

            head high, middle finger higher

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            • neph93N
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              Am I going to have to start a Semiotics/Post-Structuralism/Situationism thread? You guys are awesome!

              I don’t know why (actually I do, but I’m not going into it here), but I’ve managed to see the difference between the Asian/oriental usage and the nazi scum usage since I was about 18. My brain just processes them to different places.

              It’s partially to do with the way they’re expressed. The former tend to go the other way and lack the colour scheme and facist lines and execution of the latter.

              It’s pretty interesting that we see the original as being stylised versions of the newer expression wheras the opposite is true. In fact the vile nazi version is extremely stylised and the red/white/black colour scheme, angular lines, and so on are all part of horrifically effective profile design overhaul done by Hitler’s krypto-modernists.

              @madmonday ‘s example of crosses is another example of a deeply divisive sign with so many signifying permutations it’s bewildering. Interestingly though the vast majority of people in western countries treat it as benign. Go figure.

              (See what you all made me do now… [emoji23] )

              “Some of those that work forces
              Are the same that burn crosses”

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              • madmondayM
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                I love you @neph93 and I am a troll so take me with a grain of salt or sugar.

                perspective is a heck of a thing ain't it, hahahahhaha

                head high, middle finger higher

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                • Matty123M
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                  neph read many book. make brain strong  😃

                  Maybe so. Maybe not

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                  • neph93N
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                    @sabergirl:

                    The age-old discovery of swastikas on culturally appropriated jewelry.  The question is, are you willing to rock a symbol that for many is viscerally upsetting?

                    Given what I just wrote above with regards to how I process the different versions, I find the cultural appropriation part of this much more of a provocation than the original expression of the symbol itself. If some just-moved-to-Brooklyn type ever tried to wokesplain their affirmative answer to that question to me, I would only reluctantly be held responsible for my actions.

                    “Some of those that work forces
                    Are the same that burn crosses”

                    • Virginia Woolf
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                    • neph93N
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                      @Matty123:

                      neph read many book. make brain strong  😃

                      [emoji851]

                      “Some of those that work forces
                      Are the same that burn crosses”

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                        @neph93:

                        Given what I just wrote above with regards to how I process the different versions, I find the cultural appropriation part of this much more of a provocation…

                        I’m with ya 100% on this.

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                        • goosehdG
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                          Can someone explain the recent trend towards the Vibram Gloxi-Cut sole that seems to be popping up everywhere?  I just don’t get it from an aesthetic perspective and want to understand what I’m missing.

                          "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                          • neph93N
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                            Can’t help you there I’m afraid… although I hear they’re very comfy.

                            “Some of those that work forces
                            Are the same that burn crosses”

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                            • ChrisC
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                              You're missing the opportunity to wear boots that are even uglier than ones with a Christy sole.

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                              • GilesG
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                                I can't explain the recent trend, but the gloxi-cut is super comfortable and the sipes improve traction.  Function over form…

                                "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                • AppfaffA
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                                  I think the Gloxi-Cut is badass.

                                  I love the way it looks on everything except Moc Toe boots.

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                                  • goosehdG
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                                    ^^^ Gentlemen,

                                    Thank you for your insights!  Still not my cup of tea, but function does trump form.

                                    "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                                    • goosehdG
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                                      @Appfaff:

                                      I love the way it looks on everything except Moc Toe boots.

                                      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

                                      That sole with the moc toe reminds me of Buster Brown’s from the 70’s.

                                      "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                                      • AppfaffA
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                                        YeH, I saw a Red Wing resole with it and didn’t care for it - but in the IHUK job masters and some Viberg models I love it.

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                                        • neph93N
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                                          @goosehd:

                                          Thank you for your insights!  Still not my cup of tea, but function does trump form.

                                          I’d rather have something beautiful but useless than fugly and useful. But ideally I’d like something that finds the golden path of balancing both. Those soles aren’t that for me.

                                          “Some of those that work forces
                                          Are the same that burn crosses”

                                          • Virginia Woolf
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                                          • GilesG
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                                            @neph93:

                                            I’d rather have something beautiful but useless than fugly and useful.

                                            A view not shared by Hot Ingrid…. 😛

                                            "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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