Pocketknives/Kitchen Knives/Fixed Blades
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I have an 85 and think its great. I was trying to source a 70 for quite a while. When i finally found one i was pretty disappointed. It’s really more of a toy than a tool. Open envelopes maybe. Just didn’t feel sturdy at all. Sent it back. Too much money for something with such limited application. My super tiny kershaw was $12 and is a handy box opener.
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The 70 is definitely a toy, but TBH I think all OTFs are. I wouldn’t use any of them hard. That and a touch of pocket lint or fuzz and they go off track and become useless. Still, I like em and they open letters like a son of a bitch [emoji23]
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My pick of the litter
Böker Leo Damast III
65-67 HRC
By Markus Belbach
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Are they? I can't think of a practical use for one. They are cool toys though.
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I'm kind of curious how you qualify that they are "great" as self defense tools.
I've been training in knife based martial arts for almost two decades and there is some crossover with the defensive firearms world, and I've never had an instructor advocate the use of an auto.
I've had Microtech Ultratechs and Halos, and they are not nearly reliable enough for me to depend my life to. -
That’s been the common consensus from what I’ve read. Most ppl prefer a small fixed blade or more simple/robust folder with a heavy rated lock.
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I don't know that there's a lock on the planet I'd trust for a self defense knife, but I'm certainly no expert.
The one thing about an automatic perhaps that could help in a SD situation is intimidation and deterrent effect if people are frightened away by the "scary" blade deployment, but that's certainly not something to bet your life on.
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I think Spyderco’s compression lock, REKAT’s old Rolling lock, and a Chris Reeve framelock are plenty solid and strong for SD.
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Yeah, any lock, no matter how robust, is a potential point of failure relative to a fixed blade, so when your life is on the line you're gonna want a fixed blade in my uninformed opinion.
I don't think anyone here aside from maybe DougNg is looking to purchase a knife as a SD tool though. If, in a dire circmstance, that duty falls to a blade, so be it. I need the lock to work on the tasks I use it for, cutting, chopping, carving, slicing, piercing, and levering, and hopefully none of those on human flesh. Stabbing and slashing, gimme a fixie every time.
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Rollin with a Burch…
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^^any knife is better than no knife and moot if not deployed at the right time.
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From a SD perspective.
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a) Unless it's turned against you and/or
b) escalates a fistfight into one or more sides attempting murder.
c) I personally might be better off without one in a scrap since I don't know how to fight with one in the first place.
I was saying if you're getting a knife with SD as a use case, if possible I would avoid unnecessary points of failure like locks (no matter how robust) and for that matter deploying a blade versus just grabbing a handle under stress. That's a different question than whatever's in your pocket becoming a SD tool by necessity. This is just my version of common sense since I have no experience to draw from.
A firearm has a slightly different calculus for me since I know how to use one and it is a greater equalizer than a knife, though CC logic dictates that you walk away from any potential fight you can because of b).
TL;DR Get a Ka-bar if you need a fighting knife
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I'm so glad that the need for discussions like the above is virtually non-existent in my world. Even if it were legal where I live, I'd never dream of carrying a knife or a firearm for self-defense. I have a knife for opening shit and stuff like that, it's actually illegal in the UK because it locks, but 9 times out of 10 I forget to pop it in my pocket….
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Haha! I mean even if you're worried about getting stabbed by a chav in London I'm not certain carrying a knife is your best defense. Using the terms knife and self-defense in the same sentence is a bit daft in the first place.
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What is daft is to say that knives have no role in self defense. Of course it is always better to walk away or run away from a fight (or even better, to not go where fights are more likely to start). It is also true that to pull out a knife during a 1-on-1 fistfight will get you into legal hell. However, in the unlikely case that a fight does involve you, you cannot escape it, and your life is at risk, a knife definitely can change things. For starters, it might just stop the fight from occurring.
Now, the decision not to carry (be it a knife or a handgun) because the risk / reward is simply not worth it is perfectly legit. In the US I don't carry a handgun because the risk / reward is simply not worth it to me given my lifestyle.
