IH-301S

[Giles]

Actually, the 301S was in production for a few years until we re-engineered them to utilise the selvedge ID on the outseam…..

[escanderA]

Thank you for the answer that clarified this question, I bought these 301s a month ago at a Japanese auction, I love the taper, this is my favorite style, so I immediately bought them for my other Iron Hearts, a little later I will post their photos.

[henry_david]

@neph93 – Yup, my IH-301S also had the selvedge ID cut off. I happened to snag them in May of 2011 from SESF. Would love to see some pics of your new-to-you jeans, @escanderA!

[escanderA]

Here are photos of these 301s ..

[sabergirl]

Since these have selvedge at the fly, these are the newer ones. The OG 301 have no selvedge ID in evidence.

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[escanderA]

@henry_david:

@neph93 – Yup, my IH-301S also had the selvedge ID cut off. I happened to snag them in May of 2011 from SESF. Would love to see some pics of your new-to-you jeans, @escanderA!

To be honest, I was very surprised when I found this item at a Japanese auction, and immediately wanted to buy it immediately!

[escanderA]

@sabergirl:

Since these have selvedge at the fly, these are the newer ones. The OG 301 have no selvedge ID in evidence.

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I wonder what is the approximate release period..?!

[henry_david]

@sabergirl – When did the selvedge ID start getting used at the fly? IIRC mine had the ID there, but no longer have them to check.

[sabergirl]

I would guess c.2010 or ‘11 - present. 301 was released in like ‘08 or 09, and for the first year or 2 had no selvedge ID at all.

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[henry_david]

Ah okay. Then I believe mine were v2 with the ID at the fly but still built without the ID line elsewhere. I know that the cotton used was a Zimbabwe cotton, too.

[Appfaff]

I have the most recent version of the 21oz and they have selvedge in both the fly and inseam.

I would agree with @sabergirl that these are a V2 release, where as V1 was done in Superblack and 21oz, and both had overlocked seams throughout.

[Giles]

We have not used Zimbabwean cotton for a long long time…..

[escanderA]

@Giles:

We have not used Zimbabwean cotton for a long long time…..

I think it was after 2012, I bought at this time 666S - 18oz, which were the last with such cotton ..?!

[escanderA]

I have a lot of respect for Zimbabwean cotton and it made me very happy in these 301S.., they are very pleasant to the body.

[Giles]

We have not used Zimbabwean cotton for a VERY long time.  Haraki did not tell me that he had changed the cotton because he felt it unimportant because the US cotton he was sourcing was effectively the same as Zimbabwean - no one (and I mean no one) noticed we had changed.  Because I did not know or notice, I did not tell anyone of the change, so some jeans were described as being made from Zimbabwean cotton for years after they were not.  If you bought jeans from Iron Heart in 2005-2008 then they may have been made from Zimbabwean cotton, otherwise, it's US.

[henry_david]

@Giles – Ah okay. So by the time I got into IH, the switch had already been made but many retailers hadn't been told.

[escanderA]

However, these 301S that I had are noticeably softer than all the others IH.., maybe a lower thread tension was used when weaving ..?!

[Giles]

Correct, nor had they been told.  Classic lost in translation between Haraki and me….

What Haraki thinks important is very different from most people.

G - Are these T-shirts loopwheel
H - No idea, why?

G - Is this cotton from Zimbabwe
H - No, why.  It's the same spec, what's the issue?

G - Why do the IH-301S's not have a selvedge outseam?
H - Because it makes no difference to their functionality whether they do or not - the denim is the same either way

[escanderA]

I don’t quite agree, for many people selvedge hem, which is visible on the cuffs of the legs, is an essential attribute of correct jeans, such a fetish, it’s more than just clothes, it’s a lifestyle ..!

[henry_david]

Function > style