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    • goosehdG
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      Until I read @louisbosco ’s post, I assumed everyone considered Sunday to be the start of the week.  Interesting reading about the history of that definition.

      You do learn something new every day.

      "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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      • GilesG
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        Ditto…...

        "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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        • louisboscoL
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          @neph93:

          Random rant? You’re right though, it’s idiotic.

          possibly. however, just wanted to point out the difference, wasn't the intention.

          i'm not sure whether the choice of sunday/ monday as a start of a week is personal or by countries/ goverment/ tradition etc.. but i was always recognise the weekend as friday after 5pm  :P, sat and sunday. seems more complicated than dd/mm/yy, mm/dd/yy or yyyy/mm/dd (which japan uses)

          "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

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          • neph93N
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            @louisbosco:

            @neph93:

            Random rant? You’re right though, it’s idiotic.

            possibly. however, just wanted to point out the difference, wasn't the intention.

            My bad, I didn’t understand the context. It looked like it popped out randomly, until I browsed back.

            «Stevie Heighway on the wing!
            We had dreams, and songs to sing…»

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            • mclaincauseyM
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              YYYY/MM/DD is the only sensible way to numerically render a date.

              And I don't understand why Sunday would ever be considered the start of the week. Why break apart the weekend? For most people, for all practical purposes, the work week starts on Monday, so that should logically be the first day of the week.

              Think it, be it.

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              • louisboscoL
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                @mclaincausey:

                YYYY/MM/DD is the only sensible way to numerically render a date.

                And I don't understand why Sunday would ever be considered the start of the week. Why break apart the weekend? For most people, for all practical purposes, the work week starts on Monday, so that should logically be the first day of the week.

                then again, i disagree, dd/mm/yyyy for me.. i can understand yyyy/mm/dd given some time but mm/dd/yyyy like the US does it, is sometimes confusing..

                i looked up the sunday vs monday start of the week. there's many explanation and origins but the one i partially understood was: apprently, it has something to do with the jews. supposedly,  it was because of the sabbath. their logic and reasoning was the rest day was on a saturday. being brought up catholic, i understood the sabbath as sunday being the 7th day.. which i found confusing.. i supposed it stemmed from there and some places keep that as their order of the week..

                "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

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                • JDelageJ
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                  @mclaincausey:

                  YYYY/MM/DD is the only sensible way to numerically render a date.

                  Hear, hear!

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                  • steelworkerS
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                    @louisbosco:

                    @mclaincausey:

                    YYYY/MM/DD is the only sensible way to numerically render a date.

                    And I don't understand why Sunday would ever be considered the start of the week. Why break apart the weekend? For most people, for all practical purposes, the work week starts on Monday, so that should logically be the first day of the week.

                    then again, i disagree, dd/mm/yyyy for me.. i can understand yyyy/mm/dd given some time but mm/dd/yyyy like the US does it, is sometimes confusing..

                    i looked up the sunday vs monday start of the week. there's many explanation and origins but the one i partially understood was: apprently, it has something to do with the jews. supposedly,  it was because of the sabbath. their logic and reasoning was the rest day was on a saturday. being brought up catholic, i understood the sabbath as sunday being the 7th day.. which i found confusing.. i supposed it stemmed from there and some places keep that as their order of the week..

                    one of my (many) pet peeves day-month-year avoids confusion-of course here we're still using the imperial system- ::)

                    Those are my principles, and if you don't like them…
                    Well, I have others.

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                    • mclaincauseyM
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                      I'd like to see mock twist selvedge chambrays back in the fold, western and work, especially if we could see colors like green and red again.

                      One last thing on the date stuff: The reason I think that YYYY/MM/DD is good is that one way or the other, it makes sense to graduate from small to large or (in this case) large to small, unlike how we do it in America, MM/DD-YYYY. The reason I prefer large to small is that you can follow this format with time (hh🇲🇲ss:) without breaking the convention, and that if you use this format, say, to name log files, it self-sorts chronologically when alphanumerically sorted.

                      Interesting, @louisbosco on the Sunday thing, and surprising that a religious minority would have been the driver when the main western calendar is Gregorian, driven by the Catholic church. I stubbornly maintain Monday as the first day, not based on religious observance, but based on a firm boundary between work and weekend.

                      Think it, be it.

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                      • GilesG
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                        Sat and Sun are called the weekend FFS  😃 😃 😃

                        "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                        • GilesG
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                          @mclaincausey:

                          I'd like to see mock twist selvedge chambrays back in the fold, western and work, especially if we could see colors like green and red again.

                          I'm trying to find all sorts of colours and weights of chambray…...

                          It's actually getting more and more difficult as the Amekaji market contracts in Japan.  Mills are shutting, fabric wholesalers are not so willing to hold stock..........I've been looking for a khaki heavyweight chambray for years now.....

                          "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                          • Madame ButtonflyM
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                            Giles just mentioned this, it's funny how we feel quite differently about the way dates etc. are presented to us - I agree that Monday is first day of the week, but I always set my calendar to display Sunday to Saturday, it's just the way I like to view it (for reasons I cannot articulate)  🙂

                            Much prefer 24-hour clock (no chance for confusion) and DD-MMM-YYYY is my preference, unless I'm using for a file reference prefix and then YYYY-MMM-DD means they automatically display in correct order.

                            Presume I have now taken this thread entirely off track and will likely get a telling off from G…  😃

                            AKA Mrs G

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                            • louisboscoL
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                              oh gosh. what have i started here.. 😶

                              mods please feel free or try help to move the replies to a more appropriate thread if it goes on. seems like quite an interesting topic on what other's view are.

                              "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

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                              • SeulS
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                                @Giles:

                                Sat and Sun are called the weekend FFS  😃 😃 😃

                                Indeed, and I would know: I always work THE WEEKEND… So Monday is actually my Sunday... My workweek starts on Tuesday... But in my mind the actual week starts on Monday, or as I call Monday: Sunday.

                                Right!..

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                                • motojoboboM
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                                  @Giles:

                                  I'm trying to find all sorts of colours and weights of chambray…...
                                  .I've been looking for a khaki heavyweight chambray for years now…..

                                  I’m counting on you, don’t give up!

                                  The journey is the objective.

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                                  • mclaincauseyM
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                                    That would be great, @Giles !! I have a Flat Head tan chambray western that I love, but it is very lightweight. I'm not sure I've seen a heavyweight khaki chambray.

                                    Think it, be it.

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                                    • GilesG
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                                      IHSH-16 was as close as we got….

                                      https://www.ironheart.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7.msg55747#msg55747

                                      "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                      • alexdefaroA
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                                        A medium or high rise 777 for sure!

                                        That would be the 555 really. The low cut is a specific feature of the 777. Alternatively, a sized down 888 may fit the bill.

                                        They get close but those are different cuts… I like the slim and tapper on the 777 that are not present in none of of those two.

                                        IG: @alexdefaro

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                                        • neph93N
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                                          The 555 is slimmer than the 777 although has slightly more taper. The point is that a 777 with a higher rise wouldn’t be the 777 anymore. It would be a different cut.

                                          «Stevie Heighway on the wing!
                                          We had dreams, and songs to sing…»

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                                          • J
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                                            @alexdefaro Have you compared the taper measurements on the 555 and 777,because I don’t see much difference in the measurements from the knee to the hem, and you get the higher rise of the 555.

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