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    • mclaincauseyM
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      It’s wild to me how arrogant and clueless Ferrari are.

      https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/fans-praise-buttons-fierce-response-to-elkann-criticism

      The common denominator in Ferrari’s futility and their being a graveyard for WDC drivers is Ferrari. Leclerc is IMO the second best driver on the grid if you control for the car, strategy, and other factors, and he’s only finished P2 in WDC one time over his entire run with them. Look in the mirror.

      Or at least pretend to.

      Think it, be it.

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      • WhiskeySandwichW
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        Yeah, Leclerc is def up there as far as drivers go. Sainz too (not really showing it since joining Williams however). Not much of a Hamilton fan but I appreciate his talent and record. He's in great shape for his age and still peaking. Ferrari has def put a damper on his mental state though, and that's surely why he's suffering. I think the car development absolutely has more to do with results than driver, except in rare cases, such as with Max. This season is proof of that.

        "The greatest obstacle to living is expectancy, which hangs upon tomorrow and loses today...The whole future lies in uncertainty: Live immediately."
        -Seneca

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        • louisboscoL
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          @mclaincausey oh a mate of mine sent me this today. Didn’t think it was real, but then realise it was. 😞

          "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

          • Harvey Specter
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          • mclaincauseyM
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            @WhiskeySandwich they say the driver is something like 15-25% impact on outcomes.

            I built a driver assessment model that scores qualifying and racing performance, weighing qualifying 40% to racing’s 60%, controls for car differences by comparing performance against teammates, controls for strategy differences by looking at positions gained/lost, and incorporates pit stop efficiency and a number of other factors available over public APIs. Looking at 2020 through Brazil 2025, Max first with a substantial lead, then Charles, Norris, Hamilton, Russell, and Alonso in that order in a tighter cluster. Hamilton is sliding and benefited from earlier years, Alonso benefitted from 2023 in particular, and the trajectories of Russell and Oscar have a similar upward slope. Norris was slightly down this year relative to last in the model but if his form continues obviously that will change. He benefits from consistency and being a strong qualifier and racer, but, tellingly, his race score is of course a bit lower, speaking to his well documented sometimes overly gentlemanly / not aggressive enough racing.

            As much as I like him and as impressive as his racecraft can be, Sainz was a bit below that Elite cluster, where Max is the sole occupant of the Generational cluster for the period of the analysis. Perhaps this is unfairly distorted by having Leclerc as a teammate, but Lando was beating Sainz in qualifying in 2020 and 2021 and by 2021 had almost a 50/50 split in points share. It’ll be interesting to see how all this shakes out over time and whether and for how long Lando can hold Piastri off. Team strategy and his own mistakes and conservatism have limited him in the past. We may see a different driver in the future.

            Think it, be it.

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            • WhiskeySandwichW
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              @mclaincausey very interesting! Sounds like you've got some legit good data there. Thanks for sharing your analysis, I'd be into hearing more about it. like where Stroll falls... lol

              "The greatest obstacle to living is expectancy, which hangs upon tomorrow and loses today...The whole future lies in uncertainty: Live immediately."
              -Seneca

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              • mclaincauseyM
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                @WhiskeySandwich 26th, looking down at KMag, Lawson, Grosjean, Zhou, Colapinto, de Vries, Latifi, and drumroll Mazepin. I have some data gaps around Logan and a few others so he isn’t scored yet until I figure out what happened there.

                Think it, be it.

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                • GilesG
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                  Tell us about wunderkind, Stroll........

                  "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                  • goosehdG
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                    Stroll is guaranteed to get into an accident per race often before the 10th lap and almost certain to take someone else out with him.

                    @mclaincausey Did I miss anything, because Stroll doesn’t 😂

                    "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                    • Tago MagoT
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                      @goosehd how tough is a Canadian driving test? Asking for no particular reason

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                      • GilesG
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                        "Can you see that Moose over there"
                        "Yes"
                        "Passed"

                        "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                        • goosehdG
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                          @Tago-Mago Respectfully 🖕

                          "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                          • Tago MagoT
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                            @Giles said in Motor Sport:

                            "Can you see that Moose over there"
                            "Yes"
                            "Passed" "You missed it. Fail!"

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                            • mclaincauseyM
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                              I get upset when Stroll outperforms Alonso. Now there is a “team nerfing a driver’s car to benefit the other driver” conspiracy theory that I find more plausible than the McLaren one.

                              It’ll be interesting to see Newey’s first AM car next season.

                              Think it, be it.

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                              • GilesG
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                                Get in there Lando.......

                                "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                • BridgerB
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                                  I never thought Lando had the minerals (to quote Webber) to win a championship. but tip of the cap for his recent consistency.

                                  Another sad outing for Lewis.

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                                  • goosehdG
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                                    You can’t convince me otherwise, but Max is seriously going to fuck with him…he lives for this stuff and the pressure on Lando is going to be intense.

                                    Should be a great race.

                                    "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                                    • BridgerB
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                                      100% @goosehd

                                      It's fun seeing Max as an "under dog"

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                                      • WhiskeySandwichW
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                                        @goosehd there will be drama on lap one, that is for sure.

                                        "The greatest obstacle to living is expectancy, which hangs upon tomorrow and loses today...The whole future lies in uncertainty: Live immediately."
                                        -Seneca

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                                        • mclaincauseyM
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                                          @Giles said in Motor Sport:

                                          Get in there Lando.......

                                          Really proud of the kid. He has been consistently performing when it matters. Really challenging qualy to put down a lap like that.

                                          Think it, be it.

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                                          • goosehdG
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                                            It’s tough watching what Hamilton is going through…

                                            "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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